What does science think schizophrenia is?

What an amazing thread, which I had completely missed! One of the most interesting I've read in the forums.

Thanks for linking to it.

Why are you interested, he really isnt revealing anything. The title suggests fake. Lots of people diagnosed with schizophrenia are fakes. You know they pay money to people with this disease.
 
Why are you interested, he really isnt revealing anything. The title suggests fake. Lots of people diagnosed with schizophrenia are fakes. You know they pay money to people with this disease.

This is just ignorant on your part, it is not an easy thing to get disability.

Thanks for promoting some stupid consipracy theory where people fake scizophrenia to get dsiability. It is disgusting that someone would say that given how difficult it is to get disability in the US.

I defy you to come up with anything about the prevalence of fake diagnosis. And not that one study where someone faked admission into the hospital. You should be ashamed of your self, what a way to add to the stigma, now people with a mental illness are fakes .
 
This is just ignorant on your part, it is not an easy thing to get disability.

Thanks for promoting some stupid consipracy theory where people fake scizophrenia to get dsiability. It is disgusting that someone would say that given how difficult it is to get disability in the US.

I defy you to come up with anything about the prevalence of fake diagnosis. And not that one study where someone faked admission into the hospital. You should be ashamed of your self, what a way to add to the stigma, now people with a mental illness are fakes .

He, I didnt say there was anything wrong with them. Schizophrenia is one avenue to disability, people can say that they want to kill people or jump off of bridges, say it long enough and they get disability. The problem with this guy is that he seems to be fishing for information. He might have some slight hallucinations and is trying to get information to get a better diagnosis. To say that people don't scam disability is just silly. That is not to say that these people can function all that well in society anyway with or without disability. There is something called low functioning people out there.
 
And the evidence of these high levels of endogeous psychoactive neurochemicals in people with schizophrenia?


https://www.dmt-nexus.me/doc/endogenous anxiolytic DMT.pdf
Soon after the discovery of endogenous DMT in
humans, psychiatric researchers began to report
correlations between increased levels of DMT in
human fluids and schizophrenia [11–15]. It was
suggested that excess DMT biosynthesis may promote psychotic symptoms. This proposal (which
is sometimes known as the ‘‘transmethylation
hypothesis,’’ because it involves methylated
amines) attracted interest in the 1960s and
1970s. In more recent years, the transmethylation
hypothesis has been eclipsed by the dopamine
hypothesis of schizophrenia, wherein psychotic
symptoms are related to excessive activity in certain dopaminergic circuits in the brain. Recent
biochemical and genetic characterization of a
new family of receptors, the trace amine (TA)
receptors, found in mammalian central and
peripheral nervous tissues, has renewed interest
in a potential role for trace amines in psychosis
[16].

[........]

[11] Murray RM, Oon MC, Rodnight R, Birley JL, Smith A.
Increased excretion of dimethyltryptamine and certain
features of psychosis: a possible association. Arch Gen
Psychiat 1979;36:644–9.
[12] Lipinski JF, Mandel LR, Ahn HS, Vanden Heuvel WJ, Walker
RW. Blood dimethyltryptamine concentrations in psychotic
disorders. Biol Psychiat 1974;9:89–91.
[13] Checkley SA, Murray RM, Oon MC, Rodnight R, Birley JL. A
longitudinal study of urinary excretion of N,N-dimethyltryptamine in psychotic patients. Br J Psychiat
1980;137:236–9.
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Birley JL. Urinary dimethyltryptamine and psychiatric
symptomatology and classification. Psychol Med
1976;6:649–57.
[15] Tanimukai H, Ginther R, Spaide J, Bueno JR, Himwich HE.
Detection of psychotomimetic N,N-dimethylated indoleamines in the urine of four schizophrenic patients. Br J
Psychiat 1970;117:421–30.


Some people think it may be more to do with the cannbinoid receptor system.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091305796004261
Abstract
Cognitive impairments during psychotic episodes are assumed to be caused not only by one single putative classical neurotransmitter dysfunction but also by an impaired equilibrium of the interaction between different neurobiological generators of cognitive processes. Herein, the perceptual abnormalities induced by psychotogenic agents play a major role as tools for the understanding of model psychoses. The recently discovered cannabinoid receptor system with its endogenous ligand anandamide can be regarded as an extremely relevant regulator system, a dysfunctionality of which may explain at least one subtype of endogenous psychoses. Neuropsychological results (three-dimensional inversion illusion) in Δ9-tetra-hydrocannabinol-intoxicated normal volunteers exhibit strong similarities with data acquired from patients suffering from productive schizophrenic psychoses, regarding disturbances in internal regulation of perceptual processes. The relevance of this finding to a general cognitive dysfunction concept of schizophrenic psychosis is discussed.


As I said we don't really know which endogenous psychedelics or brain systems are responsible yet, its all theories at this stage.
 
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There's substantial evidence for excess dopamine levels playing a role in schizophrenia.


To what extent is the dopamine in excess? Citations?

Very easy to come up with theories for all sorts of neurochemicals as they are all likely effected to a different degree in terms of achizophrenia.
 
Um, really, studies from that long ago?

Where is the follow up, seriously Zuezzz.
Some people think it may be more to do with the cannbinoid receptor system.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091305796004261



As I said we don't really know which endogenous psychedelics or brain systems are responsible yet, its all theories at this stage.

That really doesn't say endogenous psychedelic now does it? What is the actual neurochemical that binds at that receptor? And how is it classed as a psychedelic?

You do know that LSD binds to the serotonin receptor, that does not make serotonin an endogenous psychedelic.

:)
 
Why are you interested, he really isnt revealing anything. The title suggests fake. Lots of people diagnosed with schizophrenia are fakes. You know they pay money to people with this disease.

There is obviously no way for any of us to know with 100% certainty about anyone posting on an internet forum, but I have kept in touch with Case through PMs for quite some time now about his life and what he has been going through since that thread, and he has my utmost respect. Everyone is left to draw their own conclusions, but he clearly, to me, continues to struggle to cope with a disease process that for him has been nothing but relentless and destructive.
 
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Why do you think it's "more than just misfiring"?

Because for me reality can change more or less permanently. Either that means the reality I was living wasnt real in the first place or that reality itself changed. I really cant say more for fear of changing reality again. It tends not to change for the better.
 
One thing is the sibling study at NIMPH that I was supposedly in was a bust. There is not a few genetic markers for schizophrenia there are about 10,000 so basically there is no genetic reason for having schizophrenia though there is. I guess the study is still going on though.
 
Um, really, studies from that long ago?

Where is the follow up, seriously Zuezzz.

Not hard to find, heres a review of the literature on endogenous DMT published this year in 2012

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22371425

A critical review of reports of endogenous psychedelic N, N-dimethyltryptamines in humans: 1955-2010.
Barker SA, McIlhenny EH, Strassman R.

Abstract

Three indole alkaloids that possess differing degrees of psychotropic/psychedelic activity have been reported as endogenous substances in humans; N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT), 5-hydroxy-DMT (bufotenine, HDMT), and 5-methoxy-DMT (MDMT). We have undertaken a critical review of 69 published studies reporting the detection or detection and quantitation of these compounds in human body fluids. In reviewing this literature, we address the methods applied and the criteria used in the determination of the presence of DMT, MDMT, and HDMT. The review provides a historical perspective of the research conducted from 1955 to 2010, summarizing the findings for the individual compounds in blood, urine, and/or cerebrospinal fluid. A critique of the data is offered that addresses the strengths and weaknesses of the methods and approaches to date. The review also discusses the shortcomings of the existing data in light of more recent findings and how these may be overcome. Suggestions for the future directions of endogenous psychedelics research are offered.
 
lol your always determined to argue about something aren't you david :)

Can you argue with that? :p
 
That is not true Zeuuzzz, that is not recent research about anything, it is a literature review. You did not address my question, so serotonin receptors are what LSD latches on to, does that make serotonin a hallucinogen?

Yes or no.
 
Because for me reality can change more or less permanently. Either that means the reality I was living wasnt real in the first place or that reality itself changed. I really cant say more for fear of changing reality again. It tends not to change for the better.

Thanks for your insights.
My own reality changes continually and I don't understand how it could be otherwise.
 
Thanks for your insights.
My own reality changes continually and I don't understand how it could be otherwise.

You have seen the guy with nothing behind him but the blue screen on the tv asking what he is supposed to be saying next?
 

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