Split Thread What does "MIHOP" mean?

Have we determined how many angels can dance on a pinhead yet?

In order to satisfy femr2, from now on if I use the term I will preceed it with the letter "S" and it will mean Someone Made It Happen On Purpose and I will assume the reader to understand that this does not include the so called 'official story' in which the "someone' would be AQ. (sorry AQ could mean just about anything after all Allan Quinn might be a suspect, or Adventure Quest, or perhaps Antarctica was the seat of those responsible, African Queen, or Ontario federation of Elementary Teachers Additional Qualifications.......)

AQ= Al Qada (or however you care to spell it using the English alphabet)
 
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Something certainly is funny F2..but it aint what you think...


femr2 said:
You are showing your intellect I'm afraid. As civily as possible...that's not good.

You are talking utter nonsense.

After I've stated "I've never used MIHOP with ANY specific "who" intended", to try and shoehorn my intention by your inept manipulation of context into my intent being a "USG" who is idiotic beyond belief.

Funny though.
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Disbelief said:
And by clicking the links that are brought up, Peak Oil MIHOP is another way of saying the USG because of problems in the oil reserves. How would this be different than USG MIHOP?
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femr2 said:
Some of the additional "who" options could be viewed as including US government elements, however, certainly not all.

The point being that USG-MIHOP is not the only possible meaning.
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Disbelief said:
I was asking about a particular one that you specifically used as an example.
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Really doesn't look that way.

But for Peak Oil MIHOP, it has to include the USG.
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Says who ? I'm sure your viewpoint is that NO MIHOP "who" would not involve a "USG" element, however your view is not global.

it would be nice if you would admit that you are wrong when discussing MIHOP
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Many different people mean many different things when using the acronym MIHOP.

MIHOP does not mean only "USG-MIHOP".
 
jaydeehess said:
from now on if I use the term I will preceed it with the letter "S" and it will mean Someone Made It Happen On Purpose and I will assume the reader to understand that this does not include the so called 'official story' in which the "someone' would be AQ.
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AQ= Al Qada (or however you care to spell it using the English alphabet)
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I wouldn't demand that you add the prefix myself, but if you choose to, fine. I wouldn't assume you mean USG-MIHOP if you omitted it either. I'd assume shortening of the words Made, it, happen, on and purpose.

If I required more specific details, I'd simply ask.
 
NoahFence said:
:hit:
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What he said.

This thread and the subsequent F2 dance of illiteracy has become laughably hillarious.

He argues that PC can mean many things.

He then argues MIHOP means only one thing.

He argues that context supplies the deifiniton for PC.

Then proceeds to argue that context does not supply the definition of MIHOP.

He is all over the place...like I said

The F2 dance of illiteracy.

"go insane, go insane..throw some glitter make it rain...."
 
Carll68 said:
He argues that PC can mean many things.
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Correct.

He then argues MIHOP means only one thing.
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:jaw-dropp Incorrect. You could not be more wrong.

He argues that context supplies the deifiniton for PC.
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Incorrect. As I have stated repeatedly, context can narrow scope, but cannot ensure a term used has a specific meaning. Intent is key. Stating intent explicitly does the job.

Then proceeds to argue that context does not supply the definition of MIHOP.
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Incorrect. See above.
 
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Carll68 said:
What he said.

This thread and the subsequent F2 dance of illiteracy has become laughably hillarious.

He argues that PC can mean many things.

He then argues MIHOP means only one thing.

He argues that context supplies the deifiniton for PC.

Then proceeds to argue that context does not supply the definition of MIHOP.

He is all over the place...like I said

The F2 dance of illiteracy.

"go insane, go insane..throw some glitter make it rain...."
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I could probably eat a big bowl of alphabet soup and crap a better argument.
 
femr2 said:
Incorrect. You could not be more wrong..
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So....it doesnt mean, as you keep saying:

MADE.IT.HAPPEN.ON.PURPOSE. ?

Or it does?




femr2 said:
incorrect. As I have stated repeatedly, context can narrow scope, but cannot ensure a term used has a specific meaning. Intent is key..
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This is horribly incorrect F2. In your summary, it is up to the reader to guess the meaning.

Wrong!


I see where I went wrong..I was assuming the writer was competent and literate.......
 
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Carll68 said:
So....it doesnt mean, as you keep saying:

MADE.IT.HAPPEN.ON.PURPOSE. ?

Or it does?
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M.I.H.O.P. is an acronym for:

Made It Happen On Purpose

As discussed a few years ago on an external site...


[MIHOP/LIHOP] can mean almost anything depending on what the user wants them to mean when left unqualified, and they can just as easily be misunderstood by the intended audience when this happens.

Without clarification, the terms are like empty, unfilled glasses; containers without meaningful content.

When these labels are followed by specific explanations and analysis they are somewhat more useful, but without clarification they are dangerously open-ended:

  • Who made it happen?
  • What happened?
  • How did it happen?
  • Why did it happen?
  • Why is the official story wrong?
  • Which parts of the official story are wrong?
  • What parts are true?
  • And most importantly, how can you prove it?

These are all questions that MIHOP and LIHOP do not answer when they are not followed with explanation or precise definition;
on their own these terms are virtually meaningless.


The "who", "what" and "how" are subjective and undefined unless stated.

Many differently scoped M.I.H.O.P. "who"'s have been discussed over the years...

You are free to assume whatever meaning you please, but your assumption could well be incorrect, regardless of context.

In your summary, it is up to the reader to guess the meaning.
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Or ask if they are unsure about intent. It is quite possible they could "guess" incorrectly. You are a prime example of someone "guessing" incorrectly.
 
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I'm afraid there is a difference between "what each letter of an acronym stands for" and "what the acronym means". See previous posts for details. As you freely admit, MIHOP has multiple meanings.

Perhaps that is why you are struggling so prominently.
 
If you really want to go nuts, try to get femr2 to fill in the missing words common to his writing style. This whole mess came from a posting on the 911 forum that read IIRC:

I've already made it clear to you that I'm of the MIHOP variety.
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See that period after variety? It comes before femr2 states "of __________." He can't say "truther," because he's too coy. I presume that he's of the MIHOP variety of rhododendron. (on edit, or "discusser of peak oil theory" :rolleyes: )Now, if you were on a 911 truther forum discussing things like "cutter charges" and explosive sounds, the context would make it clear. (Which femr2 was, at the time). But here and now, he has to go through 13 pages to remind you that when he uses a word, it means just what he chooses it to mean, neither more nor less. LOL.

Again, when clarity of communication is intentionally avoided, someone has an ulterior motive. Then again, as noted, there ain't much else happening in trutherdom, so have at it.
 
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You are confirming my point everytime you post this:

femr2 said:
[MIHOP/LIHOP] can mean almost anything depending on what the user wants them to mean when left unqualified...
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I bolded the important part.

Being in the JREF 9/11 sub-forum IS the qualifier.

The vast majority of members here are going to equate "MIHOP" as "USG-MIHOP".

My poll, to this point, has validated those statements.
 
carlitos said:
If you really want to go nuts, try to get femr2 to fill in the missing words common to his writing style. This whole mess came from a posting on the 911 forum that read IIRC:



See that period after variety? It comes before femr2 states "of __________." He can't say "truther," because he's too coy. I presume that he's of the MIHOP variety of rhododendron. (on edit, or "discusser of peak oil theory" :rolleyes: )Now, if you were on a 911 truther forum discussing things like "cutter charges" and explosive sounds, the context would make it clear. (Which femr2 was, at the time). But here and now, he has to go through 13 pages to remind you that when he uses a word, it means just what he chooses it to mean, neither more nor less. LOL.

Again, when clarity of communication is intentionally avoided, someone has an ulterior motive. Then again, as noted, there ain't much else happening in trutherdom, so have at it.
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Although on his website, it clearly says "terrorist attacks" - the implication being them there arabs gone dun it.

http://the911forum.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=3&f=2

Which leaves us....
who the hell knows.
 
femr2 said:
I'm afraid there is a difference between "what each letter of an acronym stands for" and "what the acronym means". See previous posts for details. As you freely admit, MIHOP has multiple meanings.

Perhaps that is why you are struggling so prominently.
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F2, Each letter of the acronym USG means, indiviually, United. States. Goverment.... in context.

It also stands for that same thing.

Same in MIHOP.

Same in UPS.

Same with PC, TV, UHF, VHF, Mhz, Khz....in fact..the "stands for" versus "means" argument is so abysmal as to be absurd.

Context sorts this all out kiddo.

Anything else?
 
Sabretooth said:
The vast majority of members here are going to equate "MIHOP" as "USG-MIHOP".
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As I said...
femr2 said:
If that's what you think, that's fine. There's a very small handful of people actually discussing the subject, but if you want to apply "vast majorities", be my guest.
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Your "within JREF" clause seems to have crept in there, but it's pretty irrelevant.

MIHOP does not mean only "USG MIHOP".
 
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