What does it mean to be a Conservative

Grammatron said:
I think what this thread demonstrate -- with the help of Tony -- is that people on the far left think "conservatives" are the worst what they perseive to be wrong with their country, while people on the far right seem to think "liberals" are. Which makes these terms pointless.
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Tony's "far left?" I must've missed one heluva memo...
 
Tony said:
"Seems" being the operative word. This, like your claim that you're a "true conservative" while Pat Robertson isn't, is another one of your hallucinations.
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Sigh.

People who are anti-choice
People who want to force religion into schools
People like Pat Robertson
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Tony said:
I.E. True conservatives.
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In other words, you said a "true" conservative fits this description. Ergo, the "no true Scotsman" argument.

I've pretty much tied you in knots on this one.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
In other words, you said a "true" conservative fits this description. Ergo, the "no true Scotsman" argument.
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That doesn't follow.

I've pretty much tied you in knots on this one.
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Think that if it makes you feel better. Considering that you're stuck in a fantasy world were pro-choice is a conservative position, you need it.
 
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Tony said:
That doesn't follow.



Think that if it makes you feel better. Considering that you're stuck in a fantasy world were pro-choice is a conservative position, you need it.
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True conservatives (like me) want to keep the government out of individual choices and out of our daily lives as much as possible. If you were a conservative you would know that. Are you in the Pat Robertson fundy pervert camp?
 
Grammatron said:
I dunno, where would you put an anarchist?
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Depends. There are anarcho-capitalists, who are basically uber-Libertarians. Then there are anarcho-syndicalists, who are some variant of socialist and spend their time throwing rocks through McDonald's windows and protesting the IMF.

Personally, I don't think Tony qualifies as either, but he's definitely somewhere in the Libertarian camp.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
True conservatives (like me) want to keep the government out of individual choices and out of our daily lives as much as possible. If you were a conservative you would know that. Are you in the Pat Robertson fundy pervert camp?
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so you are following the one true path of conservatism? Which seems to be indistinguishable from liberalism, but it's Tony who is arguing "no true Scotsman"? Or am I missing something.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
True conservatives (like me) want to keep the government out of individual choices and out of our daily lives as much as possible.
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So, it is you making the no true scotsman argument.

If you were a conservative you would know that.
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I was a conservative, and I do know that is the propaganda line they use to get votes.

Are you in the Pat Robertson fundy pervert camp?
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You are. You self identify with him. When I realized it was the fundy perv camp that had reigns over the conservative agenda, I bailed.
 
well for me my views are governments do not have the power or right to tell you how to live unless it is clear that you and your actions are hurting others on a large scale.

Governments do not have the right to demand unconditional loyalty nor do Nation States.

I do beleive if a government is taxing you then it should give you something in return ie welfare, schools, public goods etc.

Tony not a conservative type hmmmmm hes certainly no lefty


I do beleive the US far right are close to being nazis though.
 
Ladewig said:
I have seen professional jugglers handle three balls, but I have never seen a professional politican juggle these three items without dropping at least one.
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LOL!! Reagan came the closest. But, with liberals, it's hard to get anything done. :)
 
Who is anti-Constitution?

(The Central Scrutinizer)

People who are anti-choice
People who want to force religion into schools

(New Ager)

The Constitution says to kill babies and we shouldn't have religion in schools?!?!? Who knew?
 
(Mead)

Their dislike of social programs does tend to make them anti-tax cuts.

(New Ager)

What?!? Most conservatives are for tax cuts. We are way overtaxed. And tax cuts create more money, not less.

(Mead)

Pro-life is definitely traditional. I don't know about "socialist" schools, but they definitely want traditional education, just like traditional everything else.

(New Ager)

Our public schools are liberal propaganda machines. Many have taken their kids out of them and more would if they could.
 
brodski said:
so you are following the one true path of conservatism? Which seems to be indistinguishable from liberalism, but it's Tony who is arguing "no true Scotsman"? Or am I missing something.
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No, Tony has made it clear that there is only one true path, i.e. being anti-choice, pro-religion, etc.

I am arguing for the traditional definition of Conservative, back when the term carried respect.
 
jimtron said:
Who advocates handouts to the lazy?
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Liberals, of course. In the US, over 300 billion is given to needy in some form. Want to bet all of them are not thrifty workers? And guess who's for more of it.

Yep, our liberal friends.
 
Tony said:
So, it is you making the no true scotsman argument.



I was a conservative, and I do know that is the propaganda line they use to get votes.



You are. You self identify with him. When I realized it was the fundy perv camp that had reigns over the conservative agenda, I bailed.
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So what you are saying is that you were never a Conservative. So what did you bail from?
 
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