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What Does "God Bless America" Mean?

Insofar as I may be heard by anything, which may or may not care what I say, I ask, if it matters, that you be forgiven for anything you may have done or failed to do which requires forgiveness. Conversely, if not forgiveness but something else may be required to insure any possible benefit for which you may be eligible after the destruction of your body, I ask that this, whatever it may be, be granted or withheld, as the case may be, in such a manner as to insure your receiving said benefit. I ask this in my capacity as your elected intermediary between yourself and that which may not be yourself, but which may have an interest in the matter of your receiving as much as it is possible for you to receive of this thing, and which may in some way be influenced by this ceremony. Amen.

Roger Zelazny, Creatures of Light and Darkness, © 1969
 
As a lifelong athiest I have always been perplexed about the meaning of the word "bless." The first definition in the dictionary defines it as "to make something holy."

I suppose when a Priest might use the phrase "Bless you, my child" they are invoking some magic holy protection order that you may not come to harm, or rather, that you come to less harm than you might otherwise come to as the result of the erroneous direction to which your free will might lead you. That the Priest has put you under the protection of a diety, not complete protection, but by having a diety help you make the right choices.

When invoked by well-wishers after a sneeze I've heard that the ancients believed that your holy spirit left your body for an instant, and that the blessing was to assure that evil spirits did not take advantage of its absence and protection.

But what about when referring to a country? Does "bless" mean "approve of our actions?" That the diety should know that we are doing what we think is right and we hope you'll agree? Does it have the first sense of meaning, that is "make us holy?" Give us godly powers to vanquish our enemies?


Your confusion comes from the translation of Old Hebrew, not from a fundamental inconsistence.The English word ‘blessed’ is translated from the Hebrew word ‘buhruk’. The English word often refers to the abstraction of making something holy. However, it can also mean to give ‘rewards of a material nature’. I will speculate on how one evolved to mean the other.

Most prayers in Hebrew start with ‘baruk atah adonai’. ‘Show submission toward God’. I conjecture that the meaning of the word 'baruk' evolved from 'kneel toward'.

The Old Hebrew word ‘baruk’ actually meant ‘kneeling toward’. The ‘ruk’ means to kneel and the buh means ‘in’. The concept of ‘in’ and ‘toward’ are topologically similar. So ‘baruk’ is usually used as a command to ‘kneel toward’. You are supposed to kneel toward God or some representation of God. ‘Baruk Atah Adonai’ means ‘You must kneel toward God’.

The concept of ‘kneeling’ was generalized to ‘showing submission’ probably in late Biblical times. ‘Baruk attha odonai', commonly repeated, would be to show submission to the Lord your God. Originally the people and priests would be kneeling to an idol. Later on, they would be kneeling toward the Ark of the Covenant while visiting the Temple. Still later, when Solomon centralized the religion, one bowed toward Jerusalem because God in some sense is in Jerusalem.

‘Bahruk atah adonai’ did not mean ‘God should kneel toward you’. I don’t think God ever ‘blessed the people’ in Hebrew. God does not show submission to anyone. I haven’t looked thoroughly, so I can’t be sure. However, I don’t think God ever ‘baruked’ the people of Israel. The people ‘baruked’ God because they showed submission. So the subject of the sentence was ‘people’ and the object of the sentence would be God. ‘Show submission to God would be ‘Baruk Atah adonai’.

I suspect that some translators confused the subject in the Hebrew sentence with the object in the Hebrew sentence. So a sentence like, “The people kneeled to God’ became confused with ‘God kneeled to the people.’ All it would take is one sloppy translation. The priests and worshippers knew very well that God would not kneel to the people. So they decided that ‘blessed’ acknowledge the importance’.

Now, subject and object can be reversed. Sure, the people can acknowledge the importance of God. However, God can acknowledge the importance of the Hebrew people. A ruler doesn’t submit to followers, but he can acknowledge their importance.

A ruler can acknowledge the utility of his servants. The accepted response of a ruler toward an important servant is to give the servant rewards. If you acknowledge the importance of something using a religious criteria, you are making it holy.

‘Holiness’ is just a state of being acknowledge for ones importance. A holiday is an important day, whether it is secular or religious.

So ‘God bless America’ is asking God to give America rewards because of its good service. We want all the benefits of doing what He wants.
http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Baruch.html#.Vqulr8dlmi5
The root-verb ברך (barak) may either mean to bless or to kneel. It's not clear which of the two meanings came first; whether the action of kneeling came from the action of blessing or blessing came from kneeling, but in the Bible the two are thoroughly intertwined. The same duality occurs in cognate languages but some scholars insist that the common Semitic root ברך (brk) should be split into two separate verbs that have nothing to do with each other.
Whatever the true etymology, our verb occurs with the meaning to kneel only about three times (2 Chronicles 6:13, Psalm 95:6, and - of camels - Genesis 24:11) and hundreds of times with the meaning of to bless. From these many occurrences, we learn that to the Hebrews, the act of blessing had to do with "to endue with power for success, prosperity, fecundity, longevity, etc," as HAW Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament puts it.
 
Try Matthew 27:46 then.

Thanks, after I posted I recalled that Jesus had indeed said that very Psalm on the cross.

My understanding was that he had said it because he had become fully human, but interestingly note that it also refers to the Jewish recitation based on that lamentation that ends:

There shall be declared to the Lord a generation to come: and the heavens shall shew forth his justice to a people that shall be born, which the Lord hath made.

And that was Him.
 
I use it that way when I'm backstage around ballerinas and stuff. People who know me know it means I'm about to become loudly angry about some utterly stupid and pointless waste of my time and energy. Because other wise I just say "dang" or something Leave It To Beaver -ish.

HA! And I thought I was the only one.
 
Thanks, after I posted I recalled that Jesus had indeed said that very Psalm on the cross.

My understanding was that he had said it because he had become fully human, but interestingly note that it also refers to the Jewish recitation based on that lamentation that ends:

There shall be declared to the Lord a generation to come: and the heavens shall shew forth his justice to a people that shall be born, which the Lord hath made.

And that was Him.

You keep bringing superstitions to a fact fight...
 
Thanks, after I posted I recalled that Jesus had indeed said that very Psalm on the cross.

My understanding was that he had said it because he had become fully human, but interestingly note that it also refers to the Jewish recitation based on that lamentation that ends:

There shall be declared to the Lord a generation to come: and the heavens shall shew forth his justice to a people that shall be born, which the Lord hath made.

And that was Him.

I'm sorry but I just don't think that makes any sense. In my understanding it is convoluted, double-talking nonsense.

Previously Jesus had said:

Matthew 8:26 -- And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

Could not He not have had faith in Himself? Followed His own advice? :boggled:
 
I'm sorry but I just don't think that makes any sense. In my understanding it is convoluted, double-talking nonsense.

Previously Jesus had said:

Matthew 8:26 -- And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

Could not He not have had faith in Himself? Followed His own advice? :boggled:

Actually, a number of Christian writers have maintained that Psalm 22 predicts Jesus’ death in detail and Jesus's quotation of the first line manifests Himself in the last.

You should google it. Any questions, talk to your local Pastor or Bishop.

God Bless.
 
Any being that craves is not a perfect being because a craving means there is something lacking.

Saying god craves worship makes god sound remarkably egoistic more like a strutting human than a creator of the universe.

If god needs something from us does not that put him in an inferior position?
Maybe "craves" wasn't the right word. "Desires" perhaps, but the idea is that people are obliged to give him worship - he is the Supreme Being after all - and so any act of supplication is pleasing to him.
 
Maybe it's a Georgia thing, but I've heard some capital-C Christian friends of mine use it in mixed company instead of "goddammit." (I should note they always have their tongues firmly in cheek when doing so.)
 
Maybe "craves" wasn't the right word. "Desires" perhaps, but the idea is that people are obliged to give him worship - he is the Supreme Being after all - and so any act of supplication is pleasing to him.

Your god sounds like any petty human tyrant who has ever existed and surrounded himself with sycophants.

Our galaxy is made of millions of stars and the universe is made of millions of galaxies, you tell me that there is a being that made all this and that this being is pleased when a human occupying a small planet praises him. How could you know this? Plus there are galaxies in collision so the odds are that somewhere out there whole planets such as ours are being torn apart by gravitational stress killing all who live there so why would that being care for one human when it doesn't care for others.
 
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The verb "to bless" has a lot of different meanings, from sanctifying to protecting to favouring. It means all of those things.

If you like, you could understand it to mean "to bring to God's attention in particular". Blessing something means that you're pointing it out specifically to God so that he pays special attention to it.

That assumes that God pays special attention to the one bringing it to his attention, or he wouldn't notice either.
 
Your god sounds like any petty human tyrant who has ever existed and surrounded himself with sycophants.
If that tyrant actually created the sycophants ex nihilo with the full intention that they worship him, then sure.

Oh, and please don't refer to it as my god. I am an atheist. However I am not an antitheist and I have found that I have a little more understanding of religion than many lifelong atheists - for example, the role of prayer as an act of worship rather than as a request for intercession, which is something that many lifelong atheists don't seem to get.

That assumes that God pays special attention to the one bringing it to his attention, or he wouldn't notice either.
Yes, it does.
 
That assumes that God pays special attention to the one bringing it to his attention, or he wouldn't notice either.
Haven't you ever watched the beginning of It's A Wonderful Life? God only gets involved when a Saint is overwhelmed with requests. And then only indirectly.


So on Sundays at Yankee games the Saints must be really deluged. But I wonder if god knows what they are asking of her?
 
However I am not an antitheist and I have found that I have a little more understanding of religion than many lifelong atheists - for example, the role of prayer as an act of worship rather than as a request for intercession, which is something that many lifelong atheists don't seem to get.

Good! I have often wondered about the difference. Perhaps you could explain somethings pertinent.

Some Jewish prayers start with 'May it be thy will to <do something specific>'.

1) Is such a prayer an act of worship or a request for intercession?

If it is an act of intercession, then I don't know why they have to add 'may it be thy will'. After all, God does what he likes. If this is what he wants, then you need not ask for intercession. If it is an act of worship, what is the purpose of specifying what God should want.

Now I get that thanking God for this is that is mostly with the intention of flattering him. The person who gave us all these things deserves a little ego boost. Then perhaps the flattery will get him to intercede on some issue us poor humans are not smart enough to present in detail. I understand that man, being made in the image of God, shows a reflection of that ego.

So I have to ask:

2) Are prayers of worship solely for stroking His ego?
 
Good! I have often wondered about the difference. Perhaps you could explain somethings pertinent.

Some Jewish prayers start with 'May it be thy will to <do something specific>'.

1) Is such a prayer an act of worship or a request for intercession?

If it is an act of intercession, then I don't know why they have to add 'may it be thy will'. After all, God does what he likes. If this is what he wants, then you need not ask for intercession. If it is an act of worship, what is the purpose of specifying what God should want.
My experience isn't in Jewish theology, but I'd explain it by saying that you're telling god what you hope his will is. In fact you're telling yourself what you hope his will is.

I might speculate that ancient Jews probably realised that praying for particular things failed to work more often than it succeeded, and, being Jewish, developed a workaround that still provided same result to the human doing the praying, but could not be construed to be technically asking for something. They've probably got some rule or other against it. And you know the Jews - whenever there's a rule saying that they can't do something, they come up with a workaround.

Now I get that thanking God for this is that is mostly with the intention of flattering him. The person who gave us all these things deserves a little ego boost. Then perhaps the flattery will get him to intercede on some issue us poor humans are not smart enough to present in detail. I understand that man, being made in the image of God, shows a reflection of that ego.

So I have to ask:

2) Are prayers of worship solely for stroking His ego?
God doesn't have human qualities such as ego. However, it is proper and good to give him praise, simply because he created everything and is the reason you exist.

In reality, prayers don't benefit the nonexistent god, they benefit the person doing the praying. It's like a mental exercise. The prescribed Catholic prayers (Hail Mary and Our Father) cause people to find satisfaction in the ritual. People like ritual. Protestant - especially Baptist and Pentecostal and Evangelical - prayers are freeform, where you get to express your feelings out loud. That also gives some people comfort.

The weirdest form of praying that I ever participated in was speaking in tongues, also known as glossolalia. While you jabber, what's actually happening is that the Holy Spirit is working within you to provide you words in the language that is spoken in heaven. You don't need to know what you're saying in that language, because you trust that the Holy Spirit knows what you want to say and causes you to say it. So you get the satisfaction of the ritual and the comfort of expressing your feelings out loud, without ever having to actually say anything.
 
If that tyrant actually created the sycophants ex nihilo with the full intention that they worship him, then sure.

Oh, and please don't refer to it as my god. I am an atheist. However I am not an antitheist and I have found that I have a little more understanding of religion than many lifelong atheists - for example, the role of prayer as an act of worship rather than as a request for intercession, which is something that many lifelong atheists don't seem to get.

Yes, it does.

It certainly is your god as long as you chose to defend it.

If god created us to worship him the why don't we?

Your claim to understand god better than lifelong atheists does not seem to have any evidence to back it and is in fact a back handed insult to the other posters in this thread.

I was a Chatholic for many years and did two years in the seminary so I am not one of those non understanding "lifelong atheist".
 

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