"What do you think is true even though you cannot prove it?"

Donn said:
Well, I suppose the bots to be able to imitate every function of every cell including all the comms between cells by hormones and electricity and ... and ... In other words everything needed to be alive.

(And my turn of phrase that caused you confusion was meant to indicate that I have no real understanding of nanotech!)
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I believe what he's referring to is that, at that moment, your clone will start to have different experiences, and the two of you will be distinguishable.
 
Oh, I see. :)

But when I said "only for a moment", I meant that the nano-you and you are exactly the same for only a moment. After, their differing experiences would cause them to be progressively less alike.

BJ


Edit: oops, Xervier got on first.
 
Verviar,

Xeriar said:
Regarding my input (and this is risky to admit this here, but hey)

I believe that something which could be extrapolated to be a 'soul' exists, or, that its existance or nonexistance is unnecessary, for similar reasons to the relationship of the uncertainty principle and of free will.
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Perhaps it will become risky only when you explain what you mean. ;)

BillyJoe
 
Originally posted by BillyJoe
in simple layman's terms (hoping against hope).....What is The Riemann Hypothesis?
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Roughly: if a number has n digits, then, in the vicinity of that number, approximately every nth number is prime.

Actually, that's off by a factor of 2.3 or so---in reality, there are fewer primes---because the average distance between primes near a number x is approximately equal to the natural logarithm of x, i.e., the logarithm to the base e = 2.718..., whereas the number of digits x has is equal to the common logarithm of x, i.e., the logarithm to the base 10. The conversion factor between the two types of logarithm is the natural logarithm of 10, which is 2.302585... .

So, for example, near one million = 10<sup>6</sup>, where numbers have 6 decimal digits, the average distance between primes should be around (2.3)(6) = 13.8. And, in fact, between 10<sup>6</sup> - 1000 and 10<sup>6</sup> + 1000, there are 140 primes, for an average distance of 2000 / 140 or about 14.3. So, it's pretty close.

(If you don't like all the 'approximately's and 'pretty close's, you could always try reading the non-rough version. Just don't ask me too many questions about it, 'cause I don't quite understand it either. :D)
 
I believe that when something happens in a certain set of conditions, it will always happen given that set of conditions.
 
Originally posted by 69dodge
Roughly: if a number has n digits, then, in the vicinity of that number, approximately every nth number is prime.
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Ok, I've been reading a bit more about the Riemann Hypothesis, and it seems to deal with exactly how good this approximation is. The approximation is already known to be reasonably good, and the conjecture is that it's even better. Somehow, it doesn't sound all that important when stated that way, but supposedly it is. I don't know what's so special about the particular degree of goodness that it conjectures.
 
Originally posted by BillyJoe I believe but cannot prove that everything that has happened could not have happened otherwise (that meteor was always going to wipe out those dinosaurs) and the future is fully and completely pre-determined (including how all those wave functions are going to collapse).
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How is this belief different from the statement "I believe that when the universe is finally over and done with all its activity, there will have been just one history of it."? I mean, you're saying that you don't believe that multiple universes exist, I guess?
 
CurtC said:
How is this belief different from the statement "I believe that when the universe is finally over and done with all its activity, there will have been just one history of it."? I mean, you're saying that you don't believe that multiple universes exist, I guess?
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If they do, there were pre-determined to exist and to evolve in the way they did. There aren't any accidents along the way. There are no chance events that could have turned out otherwise.
 
I believe BillyJoe is wrong about predestination.
I believe the will is constrained by the rules of biophysics.
I believe for every drop of rain that falls, someone gets wet.

I believe I'll stop there.
 
I believe SoapySam is wrong about non-predestination.
I believe the will is so constrained as to be non-existent.
I believe I once saw a drop of water land on a stone.

I believe that was predetermined
 
BillyJoe said:
Verviar,
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o_O

Perhaps it will become risky only when you explain what you mean. ;)

BillyJoe
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Regarding Free Will, the uncertanity principle states that regardless of whether or not it exists, there is no proving predestination anyway.

Likewise, concerning my soul hypothesis - you aren't the same person you were ten years ago, a year ago, or even a minute ago. In fact, you 'die' and are 'reborn' quite frequently in any given second.

It could be that a soul gives us our sense of self. It could also be a logical construct of such complexity that we really can't hope to unravel, but your 'awareness' doesn't end at death, merely moves to someone who would be close to yours sometime after (minutes, years, millenia or aeons) after death.

Or maybe that just muddles it more.
 
Xeriar,

Xeriar said:
o_O
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I don't understand this symbol but, yeah, sorry about that.

Xeriar said:
Regarding Free Will, the uncertanity principle states that regardless of whether or not it exists, there is no proving predestination anyway.
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This is why I said it is something I believe is true but can't prove.

Xeriar said:
Likewise, concerning my soul hypothesis - you aren't the same person you were ten years ago, a year ago, or even a minute ago. In fact, you 'die' and are 'reborn' quite frequently in any given second.
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Yes, I believe that we would agree about the outcome of the teleporter experiment. :)

Xeriar said:
It could be that a soul gives us our sense of self. It could also be a logical construct of such complexity that we really can't hope to unravel....
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I believe but cannot prove that the soul does not exist.

Xeriar said:
....but your 'awareness' doesn't end at death, merely moves to someone who would be close to yours sometime after (minutes, years, millenia or aeons) after death..
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I believe but cannot prove that 'awareness' ends at death.

BillyJoe
 
OK...I believe that "trigger point massage", correctly done, "cures" (like in "makes it go away") all muscle pain caused by trigger points. And pretty fast too.

Plus it's useful for "heartburn". Swear to God.
 
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