d4m10n
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Because breaking news from 2026 cannot tell us what a political party got wrong in 2024.
(Happy to discuss Platner, though, if there isn't already another thread for it.)
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What did Democrats do wrong?
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(Happy to discuss Platner, though, if there isn't already another thread for it.)
Beelzebuddy
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Sure it does: listening to anything that's come out of James Carville since 1996.
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Sure it can. If you've been paying attention, dann and others in this thread have been working the premise that the Democratic failings of 2024 weren't just some one-off peculiar to that race, but symptomatic of ongoing problems with the party leadership, namely, their repeated attempts to forsake the Left in a largely unavailing attempt to appeal to "more mainstream" American voters. The thesis being something along the lines of: "They did this thing that -look!- they're still doing".
Saying we shouldn't talk about that in this thread seems unhelpful at best, and potentially disingenuous at worst.
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d4m10n
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IMO such an approach would require showing that "they did this thing" in the lead up to the 2024 elections.
For example, did any establishment Dems "call for formal Democratic party divide" to deal with DSA entryism back then?
Reformed Offlian
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I'm pretty sure there have been plenty of examples presented in this thread of the Democratic leadership forsaking progressive positions to stake out more centrist positions, even to the extent of actively courting disgruntled Republicans like Liz Cheney.
Carville's "call for formal Democratic party divide" is a new symptom from the same underlying condition, in response to a novel stressor in the environment.
d4m10n
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It is not easy for me to see how deep blue districtwide races in 2026 tell us anything about nationwide races in 2024, but do go on.
What is your best argument that "What Democrats did wrong" in 2024 was fail to shift their platform further left on issues X,Y,Z?
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d4m10n
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The Simplest Explanation for Platner Is That the Far Left Has Awful Judgement
.How could this NOT have happened?
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And is Schumer and the DNC had gotten behind someone who "fights", we would not be in this position. "Janet Mills for Senate! According to the actuarial tables, she will probably still be alive on election day!"
People want change. Give them a choice between bad change or the status quo...
Beelzebuddy
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Well, voting for the person who just "rolls over" regardless doesn't seem to work great, so...
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They might try to rebrand as the party of health care and try to build consensus around that.
But then, I remembered this is pretty much exactly what Obama tried to do.
Is the time right now?
People will say, "How will be pay for it?" Well, we're already paying for it.
What if the whole industry of people, who are now in an adversarial role - paid to advocate either for or against health care delivery - could be retrained to work together for better outcomes? Auditors, patient advocates, end-of-life specialists.
I won't go on preaching to the choir, it's just a thought, with some ideas on messaging.
But then, I remembered this is pretty much exactly what Obama tried to do.
Is the time right now?
People will say, "How will be pay for it?" Well, we're already paying for it.
What if the whole industry of people, who are now in an adversarial role - paid to advocate either for or against health care delivery - could be retrained to work together for better outcomes? Auditors, patient advocates, end-of-life specialists.
I won't go on preaching to the choir, it's just a thought, with some ideas on messaging.
I'll give you that, almost everyone in US politics is past retirement age, what we actually have is a gerontocracy.
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For this reason, we need managed labor pool flexibility. Is it obvious which words I'm avoiding?
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the current admin of the executive branch brought in a bunch of geriatric donors and appointed them oversight over their pet projects while they dismantle oversight and transfer money to themselves, so there's a big hint of kleptocracy and oligarchy in that gerontocracy. it's really a mix.
I think it has something to do with being educated again.
The Simplest Explanation for Platner Is That the Far Left Has Awful Judgement
.How could this NOT have happened?
It is not so much forsaking the Left.
The problem is forsaking any and all problems facing the working class and people in general, i.e. the problems that Bernie Sanders has been pointing out with some success at his and AOC's rallies. Those same issues were picked up by Platner, which was why people rallied to him, but in his case it may have been because he was going for whatever seemed to work for getting elected – like Fetterman, Sinema and others before him.
That's the general problem with representative democracy: It is difficult to know if candidates are serious or merely pretending to listen to voters and then catering to the wishes of the donor class once they're elected:
But the problem was obviously aggravated in the USA due to Citizens United, which turned the U.S. representative democracy into full-blown oligarchy.
James Carville's roll-over-and-play-dead strategy is not exactly "breaking news from 2026."
It was breaking news in very early 2025 and consistent with the strategy of establishment Democrats in 2024,
i.e. Don't do anything that might upset Republicans or the Epstein class because the former are the ones we want to appeal to as voters, and the latter are the ones that pay our campaigns and make us rich. It would be foolish to try to appeal to Democrats because it's their duty to vote for us. What else can they do?
So you still haven't answered my question:
Can you tell us why my posts about James Carville
W.D.Clinger
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Finally, a one word post that's actually responsive to the OP.
After thinking about it overnight, @d4m10n was able to deduce that a one-word mention of Platner's 2026 candidacy might not be all that responsive to the OP.
theprestige
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It was 100% responsive to the OP, in the sense that it actually addressed something the Democrats did wrong, rather than trying to change the subject to something else. It was also a bad response because it was anachronistic.