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What did Democrats do wrong?

What did Democrats do wrong?

  • Didn't fight inflation enough.

    Votes: 12 15.2%

  • Didn't fight illegal immigration enough.

    Votes: 22 27.8%

  • Too much focus on abortion.

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • Too much transgender stuff.

    Votes: 28 35.4%

  • America not ready for Progressive women leader.

    Votes: 26 32.9%

  • Should have kept Joe.

    Votes: 3 3.8%

  • Not enough focus on new jobs.

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • Nothing, Trump cheated & played dirty!

    Votes: 14 17.7%

  • Didn't stop Gaza War.

    Votes: 8 10.1%

  • I can be Agent M.

    Votes: 6 7.6%
  • Total voters
    79
I Am The Scum said:
Henceforth, I think I will turn every response I give to you into a little game: I will try to figure out the dumbest way that someone can turn a fair criticism of the right into an unfair criticism of the left. I give myself a cookie every time your response matches my prediction.
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*buys stock in Oreos*

ETA: Once again ninja’d by Reformed Offlian, and with a superior joke.
 
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Emily's Cat said:
I would love it if people would take quotes in context. Trump is downright painful to try to listen to, but that's no reason to intentionally resort to mischaracterizations. That kind of behavior, particularly on the part of media, is fueling our current state.
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I've never understood that criticism. Quotes are by definition taken out of context. If they weren't taken out of context they wouldn't be quotes; they would be transcripts.

Trump doesn't even mind being quoted out of context. He says something callous, cruel, uncaring and if it makes him look like an ******* he'll double down on it. He supporters like him that way. They think he's badass.

Who exactly you mean by the "media," I don't know, but the outlets I mostly trust have been really been pretty restrained. Playing it pretty straight. Nobody has to make this guy look bad. Changing public health policy based on no evidence is pretty bad. And doctors express their frustration and correctly say there are no demonstrable reasons to stop giving MMR shots. We're going to have to cross our fingers and hope for herd immunity as Trump's uninformed proposal could lengthen the windows of vulnerability to various diseases needlessly. They were also talking about not giving Hep B vaccine to a newborn whose mother has Hep B - wait a year then give it.

Meanwhile Brian Kilmeade on Fox can say "Just kill" the homeless, mentally ill or potentially violent: Give them an "involuntary lethal injection," with nary a peep from his couch-mates. This is 100 percent enabled by the Trump administration, and it's evil. He is bringing out cruelty in weak people.

"Good people on both sides." *If only* his second term was that benign. Now it's all pretty much open support for a white Christian nationalist country where women stick to homemaking and having more kids. And there are definitely no good people on the left.

In his first term Trump promised big beautiful health care, now he doesn't even pretend to care. But funnily enough I'm seeing calls for UHC in conservative forums. It might be something Democrats could work with. (ETA: It would be nice if they could execute a plan.)

ETA2: What Brian Kilmeade said was not out of context. It was pretty much those words ... "(Just) kill them. Involuntary lethal injection." I'm not sure about the "just," I think I got the meaning right though.
 
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johnny karate said:
I love it when someone makes this argument because it's an opportunity for me to ask my favorite question:

Who are the "very fine people" who attended a white supremacist rally?
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This is really the thing. When Charlottesville was first being reported, I thought like a lot of people did- ok, big rally of southerners with a legit case of southern heritage pride, and probably some ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ assimilated in there and started some ◊◊◊◊.

But then they started panning the crowds. Nope. There were white supremacists freaking everywhere. it was a neo nazi rally with a few oblivious conservatives bumbling around between the literal torch marches.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Roughly 85% of the posts in this thread have essentially proclaimed that Democrats didn't do anything wrong at all, it's just that most of Americans are evil racist bigots who are poo-poo heads.

Seriously, the entire premise of this thread was How did Dems screw up what should have been a slam dunk, and what do Dems need to do differently next time around.
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Seriously, my impression of what most people are saying is that, yes, the dems need to very carefully consider what went wrong, and how to rectify that in the future. What I see evryone rejecting is the idea that the dems' criticisism of Trump, and the republican party, made more people vote for Trump, because it hurt their feelings. Which is ridiculous.

And most Americans are certainly not evil racist bigots who are poo-poo heads (great way to sum up the arguments); most Americans didn't even vote for Trump, but if I were to believe some republicans, and moderates, they are very silly people who voted for Trump because someone said he was a lying, bigoted scumbag.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Trick question - they both do.
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Do they?

Which dissenters did Biden threaten to revoke the visas of and deport simply for not being progressive enough? Which dissenters did the Democratic party censure for not being progressive enough? Which dissenters did senior Democratic leadership demand primary challenges against for not being progressive enough?

Not wanting to talk to former friends anymore because they won't shut up about trans nonsense isn't crushing dissent.
 
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Helen said:
Seriously, my impression of what most people are saying is that, yes, the dems need to very carefully consider what went wrong, and how to rectify that in the future. What I see evryone rejecting is the idea that the dems' criticisism of Trump, and the republican party, made more people vote for Trump, because it hurt their feelings. Which is ridiculous.

And most Americans are certainly not evil racist bigots who are poo-poo heads (great way to sum up the arguments); most Americans didn't even vote for Trump, but if I were to believe some republicans, and moderates, they are very silly people who voted for Trump because someone said he was a lying, bigoted scumbag.
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Also, note how discussions about the rise of Hitler don't typically focus on what the SPD and KPD (the major opposing parties) did wrong in 1933? Almost as if that doesn't really matter, just like how the problem in 2024 was that more than 70 million people voted for fascist authoritarianism.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Also, note how discussions about the rise of Hitler don't typically focus on what the SPD and KPD (the major opposing parties) did wrong in 1933? Almost as if that doesn't really matter, just like how the problem in 2024 was that more than 70 million people voted for fascist authoritarianism.
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At the time, it was either that, or vote for communist authoritarianism. Can you really blame the Germans who, lacking the luxury of hindsight, voted for a fighting chance against Soviet Russia?

No, of course not. You're a time traveler swanning in from the 21st century, to tell Weimar Germany they'd be better red than dead. Which is also a lie.
 
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