What did Democrats do wrong?

[dann]

We thought they were bad. They were bad. But we did not do enough to destroy them on social media. Too many cat video instead.

Why Do Liberals Think All Trump Supporters are Stupid? - The Progressive Populist

An anguished question from a Trump supporter: “Why do liberals think all Trump supporters are stupid?” The serious answer: Here’s what we really think about Trump supporters — the rich, …

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Great text, but I don't think the cat videos were the problem.
The problem was and still is the many arguments praising Biden (and thus also Harris) for being better than Trump at drilling, drilling, drilling and at expelling immigrants.
You know, "We can do both!"

 

[dann]

Still waiting for someone to explain that "progressive policies" caused people to turn. Most of the evidence suggests it was the continued doubling down on neoliberalism, which every president since Carter has been, has turned more people away from the Democrats. That's where the "best economy ever" comes from. They aren't wrong, its just that working folks don't get the benefit of it the way we used to. Granted, Republicans and the media make it seem worse.

What amazes me is they were so dumb, they went back the historic failure that came before.

I think it may have been the GOP lies about progressive policies that turned people. You know, your kids returning from school as another gender, the war on Xmas, the alleged pedophile rings, etc. The GOP propaganda machine was extremely good at telling lies and presenting scapegoats for the ignorant to hate.
Except for the manipulators themselves, Trump voters live in an alternative reality that has very little to do with actual progressive policies.
And many alleged liberals (like Bill Maher) helped spread the idea that Democrats were too woke.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Great text, but I don't think the cat videos were the problem.
The problem was and still is the many arguments praising Biden (and thus also Harris) for being better than Trump at drilling, drilling, drilling and at expelling immigrants.
You know, "We can do both!"

What about the cat videos praising Biden for drilling and expelling immigrants? We can haz all three!

 

[Donal]

I think those are the biggest things the Democrats do wrong. Assuming right-wingers work in good faith and never actually addressing the propaganda machine the right has been utilizing for over 40 years.

 

[Tero]

Still waiting for someone to explain that "progressive policies" caused people to turn. Most of the evidence suggests it was the continued doubling down on neoliberalism, which every president since Carter has been, has turned more people away from the Democrats. That's where the "best economy ever" comes from. They aren't wrong, its just that working folks don't get the benefit of it the way we used to. Granted, Republicans and the media make it seem worse.

What amazes me is they were so dumb, they went back the historic failure that came before.

It was pretty much Trump alone: The boy goes to school and comes back as a girl.

 

[Mongrel]

They were told that they were much worse off than they were when Biden took office. Unless they were considerably richer (and millions were) then even if they were marginally better off, the vibe would have been that they were worse off.

There was also the problem that people were being told that their financial problems were because of high inflation, when inflation came down their problems didn't go away.

 

[Tero]

Policy is nothing. Price of eggs something. Past those things, the alpha male gets 50-55%. Harris was not the alpha male, Biden also not. Hillary possibly a match to Trump. But her emails.

 

[d4m10n]

No, I was told it was the progressive/far left Democratic policies.

I'm unclear on why progressive policies respecting immigration are not in play here.

 

[johnny karate]

I'm unclear on why progressive policies respecting immigration are not in play here.

A policy so radically progressive that the majority of Americans support it over mass deportation.

 

[sackett]

It's impossible to get in touch with the lumpen Maghats -- even if you're one of them. They believe all manner of crazy delusions condensed from the years of lying they've been fed. Their babbling, whether directed to each other or trained on the outside world, is no more than Da'Nunnzio's idiotic Eja! Eja! Alalá!

It's for them to get back in touch with reality, if they can before the next epidemic thins them out.

 

[theprestige]

Another day, another variation:

The Democrats lost this election. From the rhetoric, this election was supposed to be the most important in human history. This was the election to stop literal nazism. The election to save democracy and the world. The stakes had never been higher. If the Democrats lost, humanity would lose, forever. This was the election where the Democrats needed to pull out all the stops, for the sake of all humankind.

What did the Democrats do wrong? They pulled out none of the stops. Instead, they pushed some of the stops all the way in.

 

[Donal]

I'm unclear on why progressive policies respecting immigration are not in play here.

You think that's just progressives?

You must think the Iran-Contra and S&L Bail Out guys are full-fledged communist

REAGAN: Rather than talking about putting up a fence, why don’t we work out some recognition of our mutual problems? Make it possible for them to come here legally with a work permit. And then, while they’re working and earning here they can pay taxes here. And then when they want to go back, they can go back. Open the borders both ways.

 

[johnny karate]

Another day, another variation:

The Democrats lost this election. From the rhetoric, this election was supposed to be the most important in human history. This was the election to stop literal nazism. The election to save democracy and the world. The stakes had never been higher. If the Democrats lost, humanity would lose, forever. This was the election where the Democrats needed to pull out all the stops, for the sake of all humankind.

What did the Democrats do wrong? They pulled out none of the stops. Instead, they pushed some of the stops all the way in.

Another day, another variation:

Trump supporters have no agency or self-determination and should never under any circumstances be held accountable for the decisions that they make.

 

[d4m10n]

American political parties haven't changed their stances since the 1980s? Pull the other one.

I doubt you'll find any elected Republican who currently advocates for a "pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants" or something substantively equivalent.

Democrats oppose the modern Republican stance on immigration—correctly, IMO—but that isn't remotely a popular thing to do.

 

[Donal]

American political parties haven't changed their stances since the 1980s? Pull the other one.

St Ronnie of Tehran is the guy they keep references. Unit the Orange Rapist became their living god.

I doubt you'll find any elected Republican who currently advocates for a "pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants" or something substantively equivalent.

Probably. But, the modern Republican party isn't a good barometer of what policies are conservative/centrist/liberal/progressive.

Democrats oppose the modern Republican stance on immigration—correctly, IMO—but that isn't remotely a popular thing to do.

However, that support drops significantly if caveats are added describing specific mechanisms to conduct those deportations, such as separating families or sending people to countries other than their country of origin, using active-duty military, or using money allocated to the U.S. military to pay for deportation. Partisan splits exist, as Republicans are significantly more likely to support deportations under any condition than Democrats or independents.

Can people please read what you are linking to? "We support mass deportation but not in any way the federal government is capable of."

Also, no one wants to deport the undocumented immigrants in their lives. It's always some nebulous "gang members" and such. What I would like to see is whether people prefer sending paramilitary units through our cities to round up children, or work with the governments of countries these folks are fleeing from to improve conditions there. This way, folks don't feel the need to flee their homes in the first place.

And, as ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up as it is, the US economy depends on a permanent underclass.

 

[Tero]

A glimmer of hope. For Democracy.

There is hope: the young people

I am as tired of the first week of Trump as we all are. Trump got in and his politics are summed up by exclusion. Hie voters wanted to excl...

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[ponderingturtle]

We thought they were bad. They were bad. But we did not do enough to destroy them on social media. Too many cat video instead.

Why Do Liberals Think All Trump Supporters are Stupid? - The Progressive Populist

An anguished question from a Trump supporter: “Why do liberals think all Trump supporters are stupid?” The serious answer: Here’s what we really think about Trump supporters — the rich, …

www.populist.com

Because they use their supposed stupidity as a shield against criticism. They go "well I voted for trump because I thought Tariffs would be paid for by the other country not Americans and that somehow deporting most agricultural workers would drive down the price of food" And pointing out the stupidity of said beliefs is right out, then you are being an elitist.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Another day, another variation:

Trump supporters have no agency or self-determination and should never under any circumstances be held accountable for the decisions that they make.

They are the party of personal responsibility after all. Remember hypocrisy is not a flaw but a flex to the right wing.

 

[d4m10n]

...modern Republican party isn't a good barometer of what policies are conservative/centrist/liberal/progressive.

I didn't bring up the Republican Party, I linked a quotation from a progressive advocacy group.

"We support mass deportation but not in any way the federal government is capable of."

Does it strike you as reasonable to put something no one said between quotation marks?

What I would like to see is whether people prefer sending paramilitary units through our cities to round up children, or work with the governments of countries these folks are fleeing from to improve conditions there.

What I would like to see is what people think of the progressive solution, which is actually on topic here.

 

[Donal]

Where is that link supposed to be taking me? Because all I get is a Google search page for the term "immigration policy", no specific policies. Certainly nothing about a pathway to citizenship WHICH DID NOT ORIGINATE WITH PROGRESSIVES

the only thing about a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants specific to the Biden administration was amnesty and path to citizenship for people who have been married to an American citizen for 10 years, on top of the usual background checks and such.

There's also a path to citizenship for Dreamers, but are you going to tell me Americans want them deported?