What did Democrats do wrong?

[Tero]

Kamala Harris goes on stage with Beyonce and all the thousands of women and tells them Trump will ban all abortion. Nothing happened. No MAGA women were converted. Trump goes on Joe Rogan and instantly capture all young male voters. They are going to take care of women.

What's going on? Wokism is dead?

The only thing involved above that I slightly get is that Harris does not speak the language of the young male. And black young males felt like they were voting for their mom. They would rather vore for Biden. As long as he promised and delivered something for them.

 

[Hercules56]

One thing that does confuse me is Americans are so annoyed with inflation why did they vote for Trump who has promised to enact massive tariffs on all imports which will of course cause inflation!!!

 

[Tero]

One thing that does confuse me is Americans are so annoyed with inflation why did they vote for Trump who has promised to enact massive tariffs on all imports which will of course cause inflation!!!

Americans have no idea about inflation. A good number did not vote in 2008 let alone the Reagan era when we had big inflation.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

There's no option for "Stayed with Joe for too long". Nor is there one for "Ran a strategically poor campaign".

 

[mikegriffith1]

We lost the election. Big time.

What did we do wrong?

Too much transgender stuff?

Not fight inflation enough?

Not work stop illegal immigration enough?

Should have kept Joe?

What say you?

Here's one to add to the list of choices: A failure to condemn radical anti-Israeli/pro-Hamas activists.

 

[Thermal]

I forget if it's been said yet, but the real thing "we did wrong" was fail to get Trump supporters to understand that elections are not a Trolly joke. This ◊◊◊◊ is serious, and Trump is a genuinely *bad* choice for Chief Executive. It's not a matter of politics; this person is genuinely stupid and a better qualified candidate should be persued by republicans.

 

[Tero]

I made a meme explaining the simple thoughts in a voter's mind.

Esa Jarvi (@esa55jarvi) on Threads

What if it just this simple?

www.threads.net

 

[TragicMonkey]

And yet even in Missouri, a red state that went for Trump, we passed a ballot measure to restore the right to abortion here.

I don't think abortion is what caused this election outcome.

 

[Stacyhs]

Reading the replioes

Understood. But the argument wasn't that Trump was a solution; its that the problem was real.

Eta: the one thing Trump can be provably unable to fix is finances. He is a financial failure at anything other than covering his own ass

I don't think anyone has disagreed that inflation was a real problem. But, I disagree that "the argument wasn't that Trump was a solution." I think that's exactly what his stupid supporters do think. Otherwise, why vote for him?

 

[Thermal]

Reading the replioes

I don't think anyone has disagreed that inflation was a real problem.

Some have, and at length.

But, I disagree that "the argument wasn't that Trump was a solution." I think that's exactly what his stupid supporters do think. Otherwise, why vote for him?

For the same reason that a poster recently claimed that Nancy Pelosi was in charge of the DC National Guard on January 6: they prefer the lie to the truth.

 

[Stacyhs]

One thing that does confuse me is Americans are so annoyed with inflation why did they vote for Trump who has promised to enact massive tariffs on all imports which will of course cause inflation!!!

Because they can't be bothered to research what economists were telling them vs what Mango Mussolini was telling them.

"Economists say that Trump's tariff plans, likely his most consequential economic policy, would push U.S. import duty rates back up to 1930s-era levels, stoke inflation, collapse U.S.-China trade, draw retaliation and drastically reorder supply chains."

 

[Minoosh]

When Dems decided to run Biden in 2020 I was underwhelmed. When Harris became the presumptive nominee I felt the same way. I thought she'd underperformed as VP, which is not that easy to do. I liked her OK, once she became the nominee.

Now I wonder if it mattered who the candidate was, or what positions they espoused, absent a rock star nominee like Obama. As far as I can tell, Trump did not gain votes in a mathematically significant way but the Dems lost 10+ million. This general trend also prevailed in swing states.

I doubt if Dems lost votes due to their position on abortion, which has remained constant for decades. But inflation? That was a real problem. I liked the ads where Kamala spelled out what they'd done to rein it in. But the damage had been done ... it didn't matter that they'd whittled inflation down; they could not do much about prices, except maybe for gasoline.

Speculation drives up the cost of real estate - is it a bubble? A real issue with supply and demand? Both? Upthread someone said Biden policies resulted in 20 million more illegal immigrants in the US, which is horse crap, but apprarently some people believe it. In any event, the US needs more young people working. The military needs recruits and has no qualms relying on well-vetted immigrants - even illegal ones.

I wish we did have a Bill Clinton who could explain things without talking down to people ... for that matter, I wish we had a Richard Nixon over Trump. Despite Nixon's landslide victory (popular and electoral), he was history less than two years later. So it goes ...

 

[Stacyhs]

"I don't think anyone has disagreed that inflation was a real problem."

Some have, and at length.

Then link or quote some because I haven't seen any.

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But, I disagree that "the argument wasn't that Trump was a solution." I think that's exactly what his stupid supporters do think. Otherwise, why vote for him?"


For the same reason that a poster recently claimed that Nancy Pelosi was in charge of the DC National Guard on January 6: they prefer the lie to the truth.

While I agree that they prefer the lie to the truth, that doesn't support that they didn't think Trump was a solution to inflation. They believe his lie that he'll end inflation and bring prices down.

 

[AmyStrange]

Did the democrats really do something wrong or was it because the maga weirdoes were too stupid to understand the lies that the hypocritical, veteran-hating liar called trump was telling, or maybe as some suggested, it was because not enough democrats turned out to vote?

I think it was a combination of both.


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[Thermal]

Did the democrats really do something wrong or was it because the maga weirdoes were too stupid to understand the lies that the hypocritical, veteran-hating liar called trump was telling, or maybe as some suggested, it was because not enough democrats turned out to vote?

I think it was a combination of both.


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Definitely was a combination of multiple factors. I think the OP is asking what was the most influential, as in "where could Dems have flipped the script to reverse the outcome?"

 

[AmyStrange]

Definitely was a combination of multiple factors. I think the OP is asking what was the most influential, as in "where could Dems have flipped the script to reverse the outcome?"

Ok, well in that case, the number of voters for trump were almost the same as 2020 (~74mil), while the numbers for Harris were remarkably lower compared to 2020. Doesn't that indicate that not enough democrats turning out to vote was the deciding factor?

Trump's popular vote total, 74,372,005 votes and counting, surpasses his 2020 total of 74,223,975 despite certain states like California and Arizona still tabulating votes.

Harris had won about 67 million votes as of Wednesday afternoon, compared to the approximately 81 million Biden garnered in 2020 — a difference of about 14 million. But that gap is decreasing as the vote count continues. No state has counted 100% of its ballots yet.

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[dirtywick]

yeah, kind of puts a new perspective on the conservatives giving long lists of things she wasn't conservative enough on.

quite a few of the swing states were extremely close. really, she was about 200k or something votes in wi, mi, and ga from a trump style electoral win. the race was called really early on too, and if there was some kind of election fraud scheme from the guys that tried to scheme to steal an election and have been plotting for years, well.

nah, that's crazy. but that would be something, wouldn't it.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

It's pretty difficult to argue that you're the party that wants to protect Democracy and at the same time disenfranchise 14 million voters.

 

[AmyStrange]

It's pretty difficult to argue that you're the party that wants to protect Democracy and at the same time disenfranchise 14 million voters.

True, but we'll have to see how well that goes over the next 4 years.


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[Thermal]

Can

True, but we'll have to see how well that goes over the next 4 years.


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I just checked back to 2016 popular vote, and Sec Clinton (who won it) was at 66m votes to Trump's 63m. In the 2012 contest, it was Barry's 66m to Mitten's 61m.

So the Dems, being fair here, didn't lose voters this round. 2020 was a freak show of eligible voters showing up out of the blue to say "get that Orange Thing the ◊◊◊◊ out of here". The actual Democratic turnout in 2024 was high-ish.