What did Democrats do wrong?

[thaiboxerken]

Are you saying foreigners in the USA on vacation cannot be deported??

Legally, they can not be deported without due process. Also, can you cite the law that says they can be deported without due process?

 

[Hercules56]

Legally, they can not be deported without due process.

You seem to think the US Constitution is a suicide pact.

 

[thaiboxerken]

You seem to think the US Constitution is a suicide pact.

You seem to think the US Constitution only applies to white people.

 

[Donal]

He did not have a student visa. He didn't have any Visa.

Try to focus.

And? Did I say student visa? He is a green card holder. And it doesn't matter what his status is. There is no justification to kidnap him and ship him half way across the country.

 

[Hercules56]

You seem to think the US Constitution only applies to white people.

LOL!!!!

Why bring race into this discussion? You think all foreign students are white people????

Oh man, you kill me.

 

[thaiboxerken]

You seem to to your best to avoid providing facts into the discussion. You believe that the Constitution only applies to the people you want when, in fact, it applies to EVERYONE in the USA. Without due process, you can not determine if a person is in the country illegally, legally, is a US Citizen or not, comitted a crime or not etc. You are saying that the government can deport any "foreigner" for any reason. The reality is that, legally, every person in the country is constiutionally gauranteed the right to due process.
If due process is ignored, even for a foreigner with an expired visa, then due process is not gauranteed for anyone, at all. A citizen could simply be deported because the government just says they are a foreigner without a visa. Is that what you want?

 

[Hercules56]

Legally, they can not be deported without due process. Also, can you cite the law that says they can be deported without due process?

Guess you never heard of Expedited Removal Process. Its for aliens who have been here less than two years. Unless you are going to seek asylum, you can be deported without seeing a judge.

 

[Hercules56]

You seem to to your best to avoid providing facts into the discussion. You believe that the Constitution only applies to the people you want when, in fact, it applies to EVERYONE in the USA. Without due process, you can not determine if a person is in the country illegally, legally, is a US Citizen or not, comitted a crime or not etc. You are saying that the government can deport any "foreigner" for any reason. The reality is that, legally, every person in the country is constiutionally gauranteed the right to due process.

Expedited Removal Process.

Look it up. No judge required if you're just an average traveler or student or worker.

Bye bye, adios, auf wiedersehen!

 

[Donal]

Violating the rights of other people's to protect the rights of people 15,000 miles away is not morally correct.

So, you agree they should not be kidnap, assaulted, or otherwise harassed to preserve Bibi's feefees?

And when you do it in the name of a terrorist organization you have no moral standing.

Ya, no one should be defending Likud.

Student protesters and outside agitators

isn't that another way of saying "◊◊◊◊◊◊ lovers"?

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violated the rights of many students for months.

They occupied some lawn space. The respective universities are free to take proportionate action. They have dealing with such demonstrations since the 60s. Nothing the kids were doing these last 2 years is especially new or shocking. Sending storm troopers and having Eric Adams buffoon his way through interviews to vilify them is lunacy.

When they should have been studying.

Seems they were practicing some of what they were studying.

And they illegally took over buildings and took over classes. When you engage in such activity you are asking to be arrested.

and when you climb the gates of a university you don't attend to make death and rape threats at students...

 

[theprestige]

What is the point of a visa, if not to grant the right to be here?

Privilege to be here.

Not unlike how traveling in the US is a right, but operating a motor vehicle to do so is a privilege.

 

[Donal]

Expedited Removal Process.

Look it up. No judge required if you're just an average traveler or student or worker.

Bye bye, adios, auf wiedersehen!

how appropriate to top it off with some German.

 

[Hercules56]

So, you agree they should not be kidnap, assaulted, or otherwise harassed to preserve Bibi's feefees?...

No, they should be arrested for violating the law.

Ya, no one should be defending Likud.

isn't that another way of saying "◊◊◊◊◊◊ lovers"?....

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The respective universities are free to take proportionate action. They have dealing with such demonstrations since the 60s. Nothing the kids were doing these last 2 years is especially new or shocking. Sending storm troopers and having Eric Adams buffoon his way through interviews to vilify them is lunacy....

The colleges allowed the occupying students to violate the civil rights of many other students, based on their perceived nationality.

 

[thaiboxerken]

how appropriate to top it off with some German.

Also, looking at ERP, it doesn't say what he says. It doesn't apply to the situation. A visa cannot simply be revoked, arbritrarily.

 

[Hercules56]

Also, looking at ERP, it doesn't say what he says. It doesn't apply to the situation. A visa cannot simply be revoked, arbritrarily.

No but it can be revoked and you sent home without seeing a judge.

Due Process does not affect everything that hurts your feewings. Including being sent home when you are here to see Mickey and Goofy, but you engage in unacceptable activity.

 

[Donal]

No, they should be arrested for violating the law.

So should the people attacking them

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The colleges allowed the occupying students to violate the civil rights of many other students, based on their perceived nationality.

attending class is not a civil right. Using the quad is not a civil right. You can disagree with how the protestors conducted themselves, or their cause, or a lot of things. But there was no excuse to send the armed enforces to instigate violence.

 

[thaiboxerken]

No but it can be revoked and you sent home without seeing a judge.

Only in specific instances. Why do you keep telling lies?

 

[thaiboxerken]

So should the people attacking them

Your the one quoting segregationists.

attending class is not a civil right. Using the quad is not a civil right. You can disagree with how the protestors conducted themselves, or their cause, or a lot of things. But there was no excuse to send the armed enforces to instigate violence.

I have the feeling Herc would defend what the government did at Kent State during the Vietnam war.

 

[Hercules56]

So should the people attacking them...

all law breakers should be arrested.

Your the one quoting segregationists...

More lies.

....attending class is not a civil right.....

Actually the supreme Court has ruled that we do have a right to an education.

Using the quad is not a civil right....

So you're ok with the KKK occupying the quad and preventing black people from using it to get to class?

You can disagree with how the protestors conducted themselves, or their cause, or a lot of things. But there was no excuse to send the armed enforces to instigate violence.....

LOL!!!!

They sent in the military????

What cartoon were you watching?

Seriously bro, take a chill pill. This is ridiculous hysteria.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Actually the supreme Court has ruled that we do have a right to an education.



So you're ok with the KKK occupying the quad and preventing black people from using it to get to class?

Supreme Court ruled we have a right to an education, but how does a person access education if they are deported?

I'm ok with the KKK occupying a quad while protesting, as long as they are non-violent. I don't like anythinng about them, what they stand for, or what they do, but as long as they aren't violating the law, it's a first amendment right for them to protest.

 

[Donal]

"Kill the students who dare question Bibi!"

but we're the ones who need to take a chill pill.