Moderated What Caused the Plane Shaped Hole

[Slowvehicle]

Because they were going to broadcast a cartoon jet on TeeVee and a "plane shaped hole" would be easier for the brainwashed masses than a roadrunner-shaped hole? Just a guess, but I'm pretty sure most of the blind trusters would still convince themselves the jet made the hole.

Snicker. Because in Randi World only pictures are proof now? What about the math?

What about the math? How fast was the leading edge of the 767 that was observed to impact the tower, moving when it was observed to impact the tower?

 

[Slowvehicle]

Please explain how the NWO garden gnomes kept a potential 5 million witnesses in teh 5 mile radius from plunking a VHS camera on the balcony and filming the second attack. If you cannot do this you cannot reject the videos I've presented to you at least 4 times now.

Go ahead, I know you have me on "la la I can't hear you" so don't respond. Again.


Do you mean the math of kinetic energy that would be delivered to the building by a 767 at 500mph? Or the math of the ejecta trajectories seen in multiple videos that can be studied to locate the actual ejecta found in the wild?

Or do you mean the math of "making stuff up" like a cloud of missiles flying in precision airplane-shaped formation to make a plane shaped hole?

Free quote for visibility.

 

[DGM]

Free quote for visibility.

I doubt the quote will help him see this.

At this point it's, mock and move on (like the rest of the world does).

 

[Slowvehicle]

There's a video that explains it all. Seen it?

You are referring to the multiple videos in which 767s can be observed impacting the towers?

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

Yankee451, since you are a no planer, how do you explain the thousands of eye witnesses in NY and NJ who saw the planes hit the WTC, and the millions who saw it live on tv?


What do you think happened to the people who boarded the planes? They are all dead. What happened to them if you don't think planes hit the towers. Are you a No planer who just waves away the people ever having existed? What about the mourning families? Do you think they are putting on an act?

 

[NoahFence]

So sayeth he who cannot produce anything other than fraudulent video and hearsay to support his beliefs.

You claimed not one person saw multiple missiles. I proved you wrong with many reports. On top of that the damage evidence discussed in my video would take them right past the Woolworth building.

So I have provided eye witness accounts that match the damage evidence exactly. Don't you wish the damage evidence supported your argument?

Try harder next time.

You've done nothing of the sort. You either spent a considerable amount of time fabricating quotes from thin air, or you copy and pasted a considerable amount of fabricated quotes from some idiot on some other site.

 

[JSanderO]

Yankee,
You need to fact check your video.. the information about the facade columns is incorrect.
You need to bone up on mechanics
You need to obtain accurate structural information.

Your model is incorrect, your inputs are incorrect.. not completely but fatally to disqualify it. Back to the drawing boards.

and most importantly..

You need to listen to criticism especially from scientists and engineers who have looked at the WTC collapses in detail and understand this far better than you.

Your thinking is like a broken watch... correct 2x a day. That is there is some good analysis but lots of analysis and statements which are flat out wrong.

You need to leave out the politics and stick the the physics and engineering.

Physics is apolitical... as is engineering... even though physicists and engineers are.

Your politics is interfering with your thinking and poisoning your argument.

 

[Robrob]

There's a video that explains it all. Seen it?

Funny how you are incapable of explaining your POV in your own words but insist everyone else spend time watching your YouTube video.

 

[Kid Eager]

JASSMs have 60x12 inch dense metal penetrating warheads with fuses that can distinguish whether they're penetrating soil, rock or concrete and their use was mostly to cut the wing gashes, hence they didn't need to detonate on impact.
http://yankee451.com/2013/09/04/jassm-documentation/

The Airforce had at least 35 pilot production JASSMs before 9/11:
[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/5-35-pilot-production-missiles.png[/qimg]

um, no they didn't. The stated intention in the report crashed into the reality of not being able to build what they planned, and the few that were tested in 2001/2002 time period suffered from appalling accuracy problems and put the program back several years (noting that they failed the early test phase, let alone the pilot phase).

For your latest fantasy, you'd need to demonstrate that:

• JASSMs existed to be actually used at the time claimed
• JASSMs that you claim existed could achieve the accuracy necessary to do what you claimed
• JASSMs were capable of causing the damage claimed - and you're well short of this.
• that JASSMs were actually used, as opposed to alternative means of creating the gashes such as aircraft wings, concrete filled baseballs launched from circus cannons, or other means.

I'll check later today on the quality of your evasions and provide a mark out of ten.

 

[Robrob]

What part of "plans to acquire" is confusing to you?

Whence were the multiple JASSMs needed, launched?

Interesting what you find when you do actual research.

The missile's development began in 1995, but a number of problems during testing delayed its introduction into service until 2009.

 

[DGM]

Interesting what you find when you do actual research.

Not to mention this little bit of inconsistancy:

" There was a 'swooshing' sound, then an explosion, and it sounded really low. It was if someone, one or two floors above me, had launched a shoulder-fired missile."

Lance Cpl. Alan Reifenberg
Marine Corps News

A JASSM is powered by a turbojet engine. No "swooshing", only high pitched whine.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Interesting what you find when you do actual research.

Quote:
The missile's development began in 1995, but a number of problems during testing delayed its introduction into service until 2009.

Well, obviously the program suffered a sever setback when the NWO Garden Gnomes demanded the entire beta-test production run and fired them at teh WTC from the woolworth building where nobody saw them. That plus teh 9/11 cost overruns generated by creating free-air holograms and planting airplane ejecta all over the downrange in broad daylight with thousands of witnessess on the ground. That many MiB flashy-things get pretty expensive.

I can only think it would have been cheaper and easier to use CIA mind control techniques to convince religious nutjobs to commit suicide attacks.

 

[yankee451]

um, no they didn't. The stated intention in the report crashed into the reality of not being able to build what they planned, and the few that were tested in 2001/2002 time period suffered from appalling accuracy problems and put the program back several years (noting that they failed the early test phase, let alone the pilot phase).

For your latest fantasy, you'd need to demonstrate that:

• JASSMs existed to be actually used at the time claimed
• JASSMs that you claim existed could achieve the accuracy necessary to do what you claimed
• JASSMs were capable of causing the damage claimed - and you're well short of this.
• that JASSMs were actually used, as opposed to alternative means of creating the gashes such as aircraft wings, concrete filled baseballs launched from circus cannons, or other means.

I'll check later today on the quality of your evasions and provide a mark out of ten.

And yet, unlike you I have provided documents proving the were in production well before 9/11.

The warheads are easily capable and match the sizes of the dents.

 

[Craig4]

There's a video that explains it all. Seen it?

It shows planes flying into the building.

 

[DGM]

And yet, unlike you I have provided documents proving the were in production well before 9/11.

The warheads are easily capable and match the sizes of the dents.

So are the trains.

When will you present evidence that trumps mine?

 

[Craig4]

And yet, unlike you I have provided documents proving the were in production well before 9/11.

The warheads are easily capable and match the sizes of the dents.

Produce explosive residue.

 

[LSSBB]

Produce explosive residue.

Or:

Launchers
Missile parts
Ammunition transaction reports
"I did it" claims from crew members
Serial numbers
Video
Audio

ETA: Someone please quote me. I suspect I am one of the legion now on ignore...

 

[Robrob]

Not to mention this little bit of inconsistancy:

A JASSM is powered by a turbojet engine. No "swooshing", only high pitched whine.

If it's anything like a Predator, they are almost impossible to hear from any significant distance or with background noise.

And yet, unlike you I have provided documents proving the were in production well before 9/11.

The warheads are easily capable and match the sizes of the dents.

Just a few posts ago you claimed the warheads didn't have to detonate for the missile to have caused the damage. Which is it?

 

[fess]

JASSMs have 60x12 inch dense metal penetrating warheads with fuses that can distinguish whether they're penetrating soil, rock or concrete and their use was mostly to cut the wing gashes, hence they didn't need to detonate on impact.
http://yankee451.com/2013/09/04/jassm-documentation/

The Airforce had at least 35 pilot production JASSMs before 9/11:
[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/5-35-pilot-production-missiles.png[/qimg]

Do you have any idea what “post production” means? Not to mention the very strict codes involving the inventory of such weapons. The article you posted does not say the USAF HAD 35 of these post production models; it said the USAF PLANNED to acquire these models. If I remember correctly, that plan failed.

 

[Craig4]

Or:

Launchers
Missile parts
Ammunition transaction reports
"I did it" claims from crew members
Serial numbers
Video
Audio

ETA: Someone please quote me. I suspect I am one of the legion now on ignore...

Prove the weapons were uploaded to an aircraft flying IVO the WTC and that they were expended on the buildings.