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What can Trump do to lose his supporters?

seayakin

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seayakin
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Reading lots of stuff about Trump and it made me think. Trump's hardcore supporters seem not to care about what Trump actually does.

Is there anything Trump can do to convince them to abandon their support?

I am at a loss to think of anything. I'm guessing his hard care supporters are somewhere in the range of 25% given his current approval rating is at 38%. I am guessing that maybe 13% are committed conservatives giving him the benefit of the doubt.
 
seayakin said:
Reading lots of stuff about Trump and it made me think. Trump's hardcore supporters seem not to care about what Trump actually does.

Is there anything Trump can do to convince them to abandon their support?

I am at a loss to think of anything. I'm guessing his hard care supporters are somewhere in the range of 25% given his current approval rating is at 38%. I am guessing that maybe 13% are committed conservatives giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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I talked with one such supporter in, naturally, a greasy spoon diner. The guy flew into a rage at one point (I was not poking his buttons, just listening). You have no idea how angry they are and will tag onto anything that isn't a god damned nation-backstabbing Democrat.

They wanna bring in millions of these people "who spit on the floors in malls."


You don't get it because your values are completely not in sync with theirs. What concerns you has nothing to do with what concerns them.


He was very old, in his 80s, and a WWII vet. I felt sorry for him, as, from his point of view, he felt this nation was being turned over to the savagery they fought against, bringing it in hand over fist to roll over the voting block to stand against the very people who made the world safe for democracy.
 
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Short of being caught in a three-way with Bill and Hillary Clinton, I doubt that there is much of anything that will dissuade the typical nut-job Trump supporter.
 
Beerina said:
I talked with one such supporter in, naturally, a greasy spoon diner. The guy flew into a rage at one point (I was not poking his buttons, just listening). You have no idea how angry they are and will tag onto anything that isn't a god damned nation-backstabbing Democrat.
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Yeah, how can we expect them to be rational with all those Mexicans not coming across the border for the last 10 years?
 
Nothing, they are intent on ignoring all the scandals he generates on a daily basis, they never expected him to mean anything he said so when he changes his mind on anything it still fits.

Maybe when the Saudi's start owning most of our infrastructure?
 
seayakin said:
Reading lots of stuff about Trump and it made me think. Trump's hardcore supporters seem not to care about what Trump actually does.

Is there anything Trump can do to convince them to abandon their support?

I am at a loss to think of anything. I'm guessing his hard care supporters are somewhere in the range of 25% given his current approval rating is at 38%. I am guessing that maybe 13% are committed conservatives giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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I have nothing to add to this.

The believers differ attitudinally from other groups today in important ways. They're the most likely to say Mr. Trump should have more power, in general, and most would prefer congressional Republicans to follow his lead. A majority -- 55 percent -- of them believe government and law enforcement officials should take an oath of loyalty to the Constitution and president, while 34 percent say the Constitution alone. Nine in 10 believe Comey should have been fired. But they do see a role for congressional oversight on matters of national security.
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Short of converting to Islam, not much will shake the true believers. They simple ignore anything they don't want to hear.
 
Beerina said:
You have no idea how angry they are and will tag onto anything that isn't a god damned nation-backstabbing Democrat.
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I do have an idea how angry they are. I have close relatives who are strong Trump supporters. I just never talk politics with them because by and large they will be insulting and dismiss my opinion with a hand wave which gets us no where. They think I'm crazy and because I work in libraries I waste tax payers money.
 
Beerina said:
You have no idea how angry they are and will tag onto anything that isn't a god damned nation-backstabbing Democrat.
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seayakin said:
I do have an idea how angry they are. I have close relatives who are strong Trump supporters. I just never talk politics with them because by and large they will be insulting and dismiss my opinion with a hand wave which gets us no where. They think I'm crazy and because I work in libraries I waste tax payers money.
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I'd also argue that I do understand how angry they are. What I don't understand is why.
 
Upchurch said:
I'd also argue that I do understand how angry they are. What I don't understand is why.
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For the few I've interacted with at length: they don't know why, either.

They know things are bad, but can't explain exactly what it is that's bad. They know who is to blame, but can't explain why it's their fault. These are the people that vehemently reject everything tangentially related to "Obamacare", but like nearly every aspect of the Patient Protection and Affordable care Act.


Often, they don't even know what reality is. They 'know' that unemployment is higher than it's ever been, even when all their friends have jobs. They 'know' that illegal immigrants are the cause of most crime, even when they haven't seen a single instance (and know several citizen felons).

The conversations tend to be long on platitudes and short on evidence. The Donald is giving them what they understand: empty platitudes. Trying to fight that with specific facts is like holding water in a sieve. First your facts are simply dismissed because they don't agree with the platitude. Then, when the evidence is overwhelming, they just pretend facts are unimportant. Those facts are just 'special cases', single instances, but 'everybody knows' that the platitude is true the rest of the time.
 
Question is what percentage of people who voted for Trump are the hard core supporters,and how many did so with reservations and held their noses as they voted. I suspect the percentage of them who were the hardcore people into the Personality cult is not as great as a lot of people here think.
 
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