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What about the Jordanian nuclear program?

Matteo Martini

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So much fuss about the Iranian nuclear program, but there are other countries that are getting nuclear capabilities.

Jordan, U.S. Sign Nuclear Agreement

AMMAN, Jordan (AP) — The United States has signed an accord with Jordan aimed at supporting the peaceful development of the kingdom's nascent nuclear program, the U.S. Embassy said Sunday.

The agreement comes at a time of heightened tensions over Iran's nuclear program, which the U.S. suspects is a cover for weapons development but Tehran insists is for peaceful purposes.

Also wary of Shiite Iran's intentions, Jordan and several other Sunni Arab countries have recently announced plans to develop peaceful nuclear programs.

U.S. Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman and Jordanian Minister for Scientific Research Khaled Toukan signed the memorandum of understanding on the sidelines of a nuclear energy summit in Vienna, Austria.

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http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gSOQgOBMQ59DaNIuGd2gIR-6pukQ
 
Matteo Martini said:
What about the Jordanian nuclear program?
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What about it?

Unlike Iran (which wants to wipe Israel off the map), Jordan has actually decided to open up diplomatic, trade and tourist relationships with Israel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel-Jordan_Treaty_of_Peace

And unlike the Iranian situation (where Iran is making attempts to "go it alone" with its processing, leading to a situation where uranium could be redirected to a nuclear weapons program), it appears as if the U.S./Jordan agreement will ensure greater oversight of Jordan's nuclear program.

And also, unlike Iran, Jordan has no significant oil supplies, whereas Iran can meet its current energy needs with oil.
 
I believe Jordan also has a really smoking hot Queen who used to be an airline stewardess. Those Dcups of justice are on our side.
 
Matteo Martini said:
So much fuss about the Iranian nuclear program, but there are other countries that are getting nuclear capabilities.

Jordan, U.S. Sign Nuclear Agreement
AMMAN, Jordan (AP) — The United States has signed an accord with Jordan aimed at supporting the peaceful development of the kingdom's nascent nuclear program, the U.S. Embassy said Sunday.
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Michael Jordan used to deliver bombs from beyond three point range all the time -- oops, sorry, wrong Jordan.

Isn't using nuclear energy a good way to get energy without making that big carbon footprint? If so, isn't it a good way to produce energy for development without adding to global warming problems?

Is there anything in that article to indicate to you that the US is supporting a Jordanian nuclear weapons program? I didn't see anything. What did I miss?

For the record, I repeat my previous stance, in that I sincerely hope that the government in Iraq will get with the UN and IAEA programs and develop their nuclear power capability in an open and transparent manner. They need electricity too.

DR
 
BTW, Iran is well within its rights to have a nuclear program. I'm not sure how much stupidity it takes to not understand that... but some people seem to have it in spades.
 
Darth Rotor said:
For the record, I repeat my previous stance, in that I sincerely hope that the government in Iraq will get with the UN and IAEA programs and develop their nuclear power capability in an open and transparent manner. They need electricity too.

DR
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You mean, in Iran?
 
JoeEllison said:
What about it?

Unlike Iran (which wants to wipe Israel off the map).
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People are still repeating that lie? Great... :rolleyes:
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Actually, it may be a simplification (after all, I'm pretty sure that they don't actually want the land belonging to Israel destroyed). But they have stated (usually not in English) that they want the nation of Israel removed. Saying 'wipe Israel off the map' is a pretty clear shorthand for what they actually want to do.

BTW, Iran is well within its rights to have a nuclear program.
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Iran signed the nuclear non-poliferation treaty... as such, they have agreed not to develop nuclear weapons.

And yes, they are allowed to have a nuclear program for peaceful purposes; however, they are expected to be open and transparent with their program and have it examined by international inspectors, to ensure that technology meant for 'peaceful' purposes is not diverted for weapons use. That is something Iran has failed to do....

From: http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2003/gov2003-75.pdf

... Iran had failed to meet its obligations under the Safeguards agreement...
 
Pardalis said:
And what does he mean by "Death to Israel?"



ETA: "wipe Israel off the map" is debatable, but "Death to Israel" is pretty clear.
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It is a move in a board game, sort of like "Pawn to King Four" in chess. In this game, the map is of the Mediterranean Basin and the Persian Gulf, as well as the area around the Red Sea. The people are rabid fans of the game, and are seen suggesting that the playing piece "Death" move to the spot on the board called "Israel." The playing pieces are cards based on the old Tarot Deck.

Are you not familiar with the game? It is called "Mahmoud:The Gasbagging." Tarot is The Deck for that game. ;)

DR
 
Pardalis said:
And what does he mean by "Death to Israel?"

ETA: "wipe Israel off the map" is debatable, but "Death to Israel" is pretty clear.
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Mistranslation AND you are quotemining here. Taking something out
of context. There is a whole article about Ahmadinejad and his views
about Israel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel

Many news sources have presented one of Ahmadinejad's phrases in Persian as a statement that "Israel must be wiped off the map"[4][5][6], an English idiom which means to "obliterate totally",[7] and "destroy completely", such as by powerful bombs,[8] or other catastrophes.[9]
Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, translates the Persian phrase as:
The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[10]
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According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian" and "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[11]
The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translates the phrase similarly:
[T]his regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the pages of history.[12]
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nevermind, I don't want to derail this thread.

(btw Oliver, we were talking about his "Death to Israel" speech, not his "wipe off Israel off the map" speech".)
 
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Oliver said:
Mistranslation AND you are quotemining here. Taking something out
of context. There is a whole article about Ahmadinejad and his views
about Israel:


Many news sources have presented one of Ahmadinejad's phrases in Persian as a statement that "Israel must be wiped off the map"[4][5][6], an English idiom which means to "obliterate totally",[7] and "destroy completely", such as by powerful bombs,[8] or other catastrophes.[9]
Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, translates the Persian phrase as:

The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[10]
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First of all, this is not just 'quote mining' as you suggest earlier. Not only has the president of Iran made repeated inflamitory statements against Israel, Iran have also financially and politically supported terrorist groups that are openly taking action against Israel. And to the best of my knowledge, Iran has never recognized the rigIts not 'quote mining' if the quotes selected are representatives of the attitudes and actions of the speaker.

Secondly, as for your refrenced article, many people would assume that wanting a 'regime' to vanish is close enough to destroying the country, especially in an area where the population of that country is surrounded by hostile nations.

Lastly, if you follow the links provided in the Wikipedia entry, you'll find the following...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/weekinreview/11bronner.html?ei=5088&en=efa2bd266224e880&ex=1307678400&adxnnl=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1190313688-0tPNc5ukq2OsF0Dby93wBQ
...translators in Tehran who work for the president's office and the foreign ministry disagree with them. All official translations of Mr. Ahmadinejad's statement, including a description of it on his Web site... refer to wiping Israel away. Sohrab Mahdavi, one of Iran's most prominent translators, and Siamak Namazi, managing director of a Tehran consulting firm, who is bilingual, both say "wipe off" or "wipe away" is more accurate than "vanish" because the Persian verb is active and transitive.
 
"Death to Israel" and "Death to America" are ubiquitous chants at political rallies and sermons in Iran. As soon as Ahmadinejad said it, the crowd began to chant it in unison. Clearly that's intentional.
 
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