Bingo! That is all I am arguing. Thanks for the confirmation.
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Bingo! That is all I am arguing. Thanks for the confirmation.
BigAl
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But the steel continues to heat up after the fire has diminished and this is which is the relevant fact.
Sabretooth
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...and?
Did you not read the rest of what I wrote, or are you just cherry-picking again?
Your argument is still invalid. It doesn't matter that the flames dissipated...the HEAT WAS STILL THERE.
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The steel may well continue to heat up. i don't dispute that and never have. i was arguing that the temperature in a given location will drop as soon as the flames are extinguished.
The temperature dropped. that is all I was arguing.
Dave Rogers
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No, and the question is absurd. If you've read and understood the NIST WTC7 report you'll understand why. If you haven't, I suggest you do.
Dave
So I just have to trust you about this accurate, reliable model. i see.
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To the degree this is true (not much), you are admitting that the "20 minute" claim for WTC7 is irrelevant and steel beams continued to expand and weaken well after the fire apparently died down.
Dave Rogers
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I'm not asking anyone to trust me. I'm asking you to read, and understand, the NIST WTC7 report.
Dave
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So you see WTC7 as a large thermos bottle heating up over 7 hours?
Even though the south and east sides of WTC7 were venting the internal heat and receiving a cool inflow of fresh air, you believe a sufficient body of heat was maintained to cause the column 79 failure on the 13th floor.
All from roving office cubicle fires which the NIST estimated peaked after 20 minutes.
Amazing.
MM
"Relative to the flames" is the significant part. We're discussing the temperature of massive steel members here. Nothing you said has been "confirmed".
Putting the posts in context shows you to be lying, obfuscating or plain trolling.
It is amazing. But he seems to have found a more general result. If you put a fire out, it stays at the same temperature as when it was burning.
This educational forum sure does what it says on the tin.
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Why do you passionately "argue" things that have no relevance to the question of 9/11 Conspiracy Theories (the topic of this forum) and act like it's some super-important issue?
The ideas you are so passionately arguing for have about as much relevance to 9/11 Conspiracy Theories as the question of whether McDonalds or Burger King was the closer fast-food restaurant to the WTC complex.
Sabretooth
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And it still has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation...so stop wasting everyone's time.
DGM
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Don't you just wish they would get the concept that once the heat goes away the member that was heated was not adversely effected? Just once I'd like to see them describe the effect on a constrained beam.
I know, I'm dreaming.
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It takes a fireman and water to prevent a collapse of a modern steel-framed building on fire. There was no water for firefighting WTC7 on 9/11.
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Dave Rogers
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Keep working on convincing us that you're an honest investigator and that everyone else on the forum is lying. Doing it by telling lies like this is an unorthodox approach, but it's in keeping with the usual methodology of the truth movement.
Dave
Wrong. Removal of the fuel will put a fire out. The fuel was consumed well before the 2 hours that the fireproofing was rated for.
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Ftfy.
In the absence of water for firefighting, the steel continues to expand and weaken long after the fire apparently diminished.
Sabretooth
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So "peaked" now means "extinquished" in your book? Heat was no longer a factor after 20 minutes? Your lack of understanding regarding thermodynamics is astounding...about par with your understanding of physics.
Sure is...the fact that your little pet boy project newbie cooperdude is taking everything you say at face-value and completely ignoring fire science, physics, and the professionals here that actually know what there talking about...that could only be described as "amazing".
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