'What about building 7'?

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cooperman said:
Can you name any apart from the ones that fell on 9/11?
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The important part is "uncontrolled". There are few building fires where the fire department doesn't show up and put water on the fire. There was no water on 9/11. Here are some examples for you.

January of 1997 -- the $15 million dollar Sight and Sound Theater in Lancaster
County, Pa collapsed due to fire.

http://www.interfire.org/res_file/pdf/Tr-097.pdf


Historical Survey of Multistory Building Collapses Due to Fire By: Jesse Beitel and Nestor Iwankiw, Ph.D., P.E.
http://www.fpemag.com/archives/article.asp?issue_id=27&i=153

On Jan 16, 1967, the steel roof of the McCormick Place in Chicago collapsed due to fire



Enigma Business Park fire
http://www.bbc.co.uk/herefordandwor...s/2006/11/03/malvern_fire_video_feature.shtml


Dutch fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaK5YVVaRCo

September/October 2002

Bridge Rebuilt on the Fast Track
by Timothy Barkley and Gary Strasburg

When a crash occurs on a main travel artery, it can back up traffic for miles-causing a chain reaction affecting every route in the vicinity. If the
incident occurs at an interchange of three major highways and destroys a well-traveled bridge, transportation officials have the makings of a major congestion emergency.

This exact scenario occurred at the junction of Interstates 65, 20,and 59 in downtown Birmingham, AL, on Saturday, January 5, 2002. At approximately 10 a.m., a gasoline tanker truck hit the I-65 Southbound bridge. Fire and heat caused the steel girders to sag up to 3 meters (10 feet) on one side. The interchange was engulfed in smoke that filled the skyline, visible to motorists and residents of the city.


Steel building collapses due to fire.

http://www.charleston.net/news/2007/jun/20/mourning_heroes/

Mourning 9 heroes
By Noah Haglund (Contact), Nadine Parks (Contact), Glenn Smith (Contact)
The Post and Courier
Wednesday, June 20, 2007


'Fearless' Charleston firefighters 'will never be forgotten,' Riley says Capt. Ralph Linderman of the St. Andrews Fire Department said the blaze was the hottest he could recall in three decades of firefighting. "That fire bent steel like a wet noodle," he said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_Sofa_Super_Store_fire

(04-29) 12:51 PDT -- A huge ball of fire from an exploding gasoline tanker melted steel and caused an overpass in the MacArthur Maze near the East Bay end of the Bay Bridge to collapse onto the roadway below early Sunday, virtually ensuring major traffic problems for weeks to come.

The tanker, loaded with 8,600 gallons of unleaded gasoline, was heading from a refinery in Benicia to a gas station on Hegenberger Road, in Oakland, shortly before 4 a.m. when it crashed.

Engineers not connected to the incident said the steel underbelly of the I-580 overpass seems to have heated to a sufficient temperature to bend -- and that movement pulled the roadbed off its supports.

"It was so much engulfed in flames, it was hard to see the freeway itself," Rodriguez told KCBS radio. "It was scary because, you know, it's metal and cement... You could see the freeway drooping. It looked like plastic melted. It was
unbelievable. It was bent and finally it just fell and we saw it hit the ground."


http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/04/29/BAGVOPHQU46.DTL


1989 FIRE CLOSES I-78, FORCES DETOURS
http://www.nycroads.com/roads/I-78_NJ/

FIRE CLOSES I-78, FORCES DETOURS: In the early morning hours of August 7, 1989, a
multiple-alarm fire at an illegal garbage dump underneath I-78 near Newark Airport caused heavy damage to the freeway overpass. The source of the fire was a mound of trash 25 feet tall and hundreds of yards long consisting of scrap wood, plastics and paper. The heat of the fire buckled the ten-inch concrete surface and melted steel support beams, and the resulting weight shifts from the highway (which had
sagged nearly a foot)
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cooperman said:
What comment am I meant to make. The building was not leaning. He doesn't say it was leaning.
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So you actually want a quote where someone uses the word "lean" is that it?

So "doesn't look straight." and "didn't look right" does not imply the building was leaning? What planet do you live on? Do you think he meant it was BENT INTO A HEART SHAPE when he said it "doesn't look straight"?

TAM:)
 
Anyway, I have no desire to get bogged down on ever changing minutiae from Cooper or any other truther with no evidence.

The topic of this thread was a concise, short answer to the question "What about building 7?". Asking for their evaluation of NIST's WTC7 report seems the best response.
 
Bullwinkle2009 said:
Hi, So unprotected steel will fail but under no circumstance will protected steel fail? Protected steel is "Fail safe" when the fire department can put water on the fire? Thats the point of this thread?
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Yes, and I fixed that for you.

How do we explain fireproofing rating hours to someone that appears to have an agenda and a reading comprehension problem?
 
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T.A.M. said:
So you actually want a quote where someone uses the word "lean" is that it?

So "doesn't look straight." and "didn't look right" does not imply the building was leaning? What planet do you live on? Do you think he meant it was BENT INTO A HEART SHAPE when he said it "doesn't look straight"?

TAM:)
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He said it didn't LOOK straight. He could have been referring to the bulge. There is no evidence confirimg that the building was leaning.
 
Cooperman,

1:26 onward, a firefighter or first responder says...

"See where the white smoke is? You see this thing LEANING like this?"

He lying or just getting it wrong?

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
So you actually want a quote where someone uses the word "lean" is that it?

So "doesn't look straight." and "didn't look right" does not imply the building was leaning? What planet do you live on? Do you think he meant it was BENT INTO A HEART SHAPE when he said it "doesn't look straight"?

TAM:)
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That, made me laugh. Thanks! Rough day, I needed that.
 
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cooperman said:
He said it didn't LOOK straight. He could have been referring to the bulge. There is no evidence confirimg that the building was leaning.
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Hi, My last civilian job was working on towers. We often had the job of straighting them. You put a level transit on the base and then follow the tower up. If it moves off center you tighten or loosen guy wires to get it back. Unless you have calibrated eyes you might miss any lean. They had a transit on the building. In the video I watched they quite plainly say "It's leaning toward the south" they do not say how much but since 47 story buildings do not as a rule have a built in lean when it is no longer level it means something has happened. Since the building was at that moment on fire and bulging they interpreted it to mean it was becoming unstable. Forget the groaning and moaning and screeching sounds it was producing.
As a layman I would have ran as fast as I could away. One fireman is heard to comment "It's about 50 stories. It could still get us here" He directed people to move further away.
I am not used to people being this obtuse?
 
cantonear1968 said:
Nope. I have come to the conclusion that after 8 long years of having each and every one of their "facts" exposed as having no merit, truthers are no longer arguing for a win but playing for a draw.
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Their activity has always been nothing more than a desperate attempt to keep a match lit in a strong wind, hoping beyond hope to get that fire lit. They got as close as they were going to get back in 2006, but now they're just frustrated...
 
You wanna quibble about minutia, fine...some first responders and firemen definitely feel the building was "leaning" or "not straight". No one said or claims it was the tower of pisa. You are arguing semantics because you have nothing left. I am arguing them because I get irritated by people who want to argue minutia, and argue back in kind.

TAM:)
 
cooperman said:
The Kader Toy factory? You really want to go with that? It had unprotected steel.
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Know much about hour ratings for fireproofing? Apparently not.

Building fireproofing is rated in hours, one or two hours in my experience. Once the fire duration exceeds the rating hours with no water, a steel building might as well as have no fireproofing whatsoever.

That's what happened to WTC7 on 9/11.
 
I'm just amazed how some Truthers think the collapse of the Twin towers in no way caused the fires and collapse of Building 7- It's obvious to me it was the direct cause...

Do Truthers have *any* evidence of a controlled demolition of Building 7? ( and paranoid theories they pull out of the air does not count as evidence)


I think Alex Jones cites his delusions about WTC7 as 'proof' of controlled demolition. What a tool...


Truthers will always bring up building 7- and I try and remind them that building 7 burned and collapsed as a direct result of the Twin Towers falling..
 
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T.A.M. said:
Cooperman,

1:26 onward, a firefighter or first responder says...

"See where the white smoke is? You see this thing LEANING like this?"

He lying or just getting it wrong?

TAM:)
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There is another video where a rescue worker says "The building is about to blow up". Is he lying or just getting it wrong?

Why does NIST not mention that 7 was leaning?
 
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