Miragememories
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A little poetic licence from Beachnut there, tis all. What he really means is Larry's CD team who, of course, were ready to step in at a few hours' notice. (Such teams are available in NY, 24x7 I presume, ready to roll?)
Meanwhile, Jowenko's ideas actually contradict yours, MM. It might pay to think about that next time you recruit Jowenko to bolster your imaginings.
Animal
Master Poster
77 pages of hamster on a wheel.......I guess the last holdouts of trooferism will never relinquish their religious beliefs
assorted thoughts on the NWO-MIB
Off the wall question, did you take physics, or what...
Why do 911 truth followers/supporter/believers never comprehend the evidence presented; sometimes by them.
911 truth failed to listen and read the video, he implies, What? the evil doers had to act quick... Who did 911 truth's fantasy version of 911; gee willikers, 911 truth know it was CD, who did it; if 911 truth believers know the CD part, why can't they figure out the Big Trail of Silent Fireproof Explosives and who did it?
Did the CD fantasy of 911 truth use magic to place the fireproof silent blast-free explosives, or what? Flesh out the plot, with 911 truth 101% sure it was CD, why can't 911 truth name the people who did it? 911 truth rediculous CD theory is like they have ESP - why is it fuzzy on the NWO-MIB who had to "act quick". Did 911 truth miss what their failed quote-mined source had to say?
Please do better research 911 truth followers, on what your hero said, and implied; if I can figure it out;;; yes, what is the rest of the tagline? Anyone can figure it out.
911 Truth, Build Better Fantasies and pick a topic which does not disrespect the murder of thousands; this is an event, 911, not some BS fantasy contest. More the BS of CD to the carcasses of Bigfoot fantasy, no one will be upset about disrespecting the destruction of a fantasy.
Got to go, have to binge-watch Warehouse 13 (and edit photos on my 6-core i7); Is there a date 911 truth will expose who did the CD with silent blast-free explosives? Why can't the super cognitive 911 truth people name the doers of the CD fantasy conspiracy.
Please use all your hero's claims and implications before exposing you never did the research in the first place. There is more good stuff from your hero who claims WTC 1 and 2 were not CD - but he did think they took down WTC 7 due to the vast damage in the area, and damage to WTC 7. Darn, no CD by the evil empire. Did you see the video posted? Or do you ignore evidence to keep the failed fantasy safe? Is that a defense mechanism. If a pilot can figure this out... golly, gee, why do I feel like a hamster - is there a carrot
He said they had to act quick, WTC 7 was on fire, means the NWO-MIB had to be fireproof, with fireproof blast-free silent explosives. Does 911 truth listen and read? If 911 truth is making up fantasy, pay attention to the lead witness and his implications; which make the CD fantasy dumber, along with the inside job.
Off the wall question, did you take physics, or what...
Why do 911 truth followers/supporter/believers never comprehend the evidence presented; sometimes by them.
911 truth failed to listen and read the video, he implies, What? the evil doers had to act quick... Who did 911 truth's fantasy version of 911; gee willikers, 911 truth know it was CD, who did it; if 911 truth believers know the CD part, why can't they figure out the Big Trail of Silent Fireproof Explosives and who did it?
Did the CD fantasy of 911 truth use magic to place the fireproof silent blast-free explosives, or what? Flesh out the plot, with 911 truth 101% sure it was CD, why can't 911 truth name the people who did it? 911 truth rediculous CD theory is like they have ESP - why is it fuzzy on the NWO-MIB who had to "act quick". Did 911 truth miss what their failed quote-mined source had to say?
Please do better research 911 truth followers, on what your hero said, and implied; if I can figure it out;;; yes, what is the rest of the tagline? Anyone can figure it out.
911 Truth, Build Better Fantasies and pick a topic which does not disrespect the murder of thousands; this is an event, 911, not some BS fantasy contest. More the BS of CD to the carcasses of Bigfoot fantasy, no one will be upset about disrespecting the destruction of a fantasy.
Got to go, have to binge-watch Warehouse 13 (and edit photos on my 6-core i7); Is there a date 911 truth will expose who did the CD with silent blast-free explosives? Why can't the super cognitive 911 truth people name the doers of the CD fantasy conspiracy.
Please use all your hero's claims and implications before exposing you never did the research in the first place. There is more good stuff from your hero who claims WTC 1 and 2 were not CD - but he did think they took down WTC 7 due to the vast damage in the area, and damage to WTC 7. Darn, no CD by the evil empire. Did you see the video posted? Or do you ignore evidence to keep the failed fantasy safe? Is that a defense mechanism. If a pilot can figure this out... golly, gee, why do I feel like a hamster - is there a carrot
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Miragememories
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How so?
Mr. Jowenko and I both agree that the destruction of 7WTC was an obvious controlled demolition.
Mr. Jowenko and I both agree that it is bad business to have a public disagreement with the No.1 world power, the U.S. government about their findings re: 9/11 at the WTC.
Danny Jowenko: When the FEMA makes a report that it came down by fire, and you have to earn your money in the States as a controlled demolition company and you say, "No, it was a controlled demolition", you're gone. You know?
Obviously you are playing the angle that Mr. Jowenko agreed with the U.S. government about the cause behind the collapse of the WTC Twin Towers on 9/11.
Also what is obvious, is that he gave that opinion without foreknowledge of 7WTC.
Like myself, and virtually everyone else on the planet, Mr. Jowenko accepted that the aircraft impacts and subsequent fire activity must have been responsible for the 'shock 'n awe' collapses of the WTC Twin Towers.
Offered no other significant information to raise doubts, Mr. Jowenko handily assumed impact damage, hot fires, and crushing weight explained what was observed.
Why should he make himself and his business unpopular by outraging his country and the United States by questioning popular belief?
You like to talk about "imaginings".
Well it did not require much imagination to gauge Mr. Jowenko's amazement when he was informed that the 47-storey office tower he had just determined was "absolutely a controlled demolition", was demolished on 9/11, and was also part of the World Trade Center complex.
His mind was performing mental gymnastics in an effort to reconcile how this could have been engineered on 9/11 and not prior to 9/11.
At this point, his lack of previous knowledge about 7WTC did effect his determination that it was a controlled demolition…but not in the way you wish to think.
Mr. Jowenko was unaware that this obvious controlled demolition was never officially sanctioned and due to conditions at the site, could not have been engineered on 9/11.
So when he is told that "officially", 7WTC was not a controlled demolition, he is dumbfounded.
Zembia Interviewer said:
Mr. Jowenko said:
As the interview continues, Mr. Jowenko muses that it must have been done for insurance reasons etc., but he still is not seeing the 'big picture'.
He still approaches the problem from the viewpoint that it was engineered on the same day as 9/11.
That it was brought about as a consequence of 9/11, and not a part of the 'planned 9/11 event'.
He has not yet faced or asked himself, what does it mean if it was engineered prior to 9/11?
You and I know exactly what it means.
It means that 9/11 was an inside job.
Animal
Master Poster
999 doctors say take two aspirin for your headache. One doctor says get a lobotomy.
We all know what treatment troofers make.
We all know what treatment troofers make.
JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
You do realize, of course, that all this "inside job" rhetoric is stuff you're making up and trying to shoehorn in between what your witness actually says.
Jowenko's testimony neither supports nor establishes any of it. You can't seem to get around the fact that what he -- your expert witness -- thinks happened is not even close to what you say happened.
DGM
Skeptic not Atheist
Wouldn't that be like saying the overwhelming majority of building professionals are cowards or clueless?
Cowards for just toeing the line or clueless because they never actually looked at any of the reports (or overheard) of 9/11.
JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
You seem extraordinarily adept at reading Jowenko's mind. Please tell us how you manage this feat.
Dave Rogers
Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through
How do you fail here? Let me count the ways.
Your special pleading is the first to count;
Jowenko's expertise is paramount
On building seven, but to be dismissed
Without a proper reason when he says
Of one and two, that such a great amount
Of fire must burn the charges, an account
That then supports the modelling of NIST.
By cherry-picking, focus on the way
The fall looks like a demolition, yet
We never once hear, listen though we may,
The sound of charges so covertly set.
And last of all, whatever its intent,
Your argument affirms the consequent.
Dave
Your special pleading is the first to count;
Jowenko's expertise is paramount
On building seven, but to be dismissed
Without a proper reason when he says
Of one and two, that such a great amount
Of fire must burn the charges, an account
That then supports the modelling of NIST.
By cherry-picking, focus on the way
The fall looks like a demolition, yet
We never once hear, listen though we may,
The sound of charges so covertly set.
And last of all, whatever its intent,
Your argument affirms the consequent.
Dave
Earlier Jay said.....
To Jay, the drawings are relevant when it suits him, but not when it doesn't suit. Pathetic.
Still no answer from Jay about what extent a 53ft beam would expand at 600C.
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turingtest
Mistral, mistral wind...
Wow. Talk about your incredible mental gymnastics. For years, we've been saying that MM's single authority (Jowenko) needed the context of the fall of WCTs 1 and 2 to fully understand the fall of WCT7...and now, because that single authority (Jowenko) doesn't agree with him on the falls of 1 and 2, MM needs a reason to cherry-pick what that authority says, and he's found it- he just stands the argument on its head and says, no, Jowenko needed the context of WCT7 to understand 1 and 2. I've seen some mental contortions in my time, but that's just...wow. We're getting into Christophera territory here.
Miragememories
Banned
Unfortunately, Mr. Jowenko, after he became certain of 7WTC's destruction by controlled demolition on 9/11, was never asked in a followup interview if he had re-considered his understanding of the WTC Twin Towers collapses.
The most important point is, that in a followup interview months later, Mr. Jowenko unhesitatingly and unequivocally, stated he was still absolutely convinced that the destruction of 7WTC was a controlled demolition.
I think Bill Smith said it well;
LSSBB
Devilish Dictionarian
And Mr. Jowenko never shower how it could be done in a way that matches the evidence, more convincingly, than a non-CD explanation, so his statement is without significant merit.
No. But I can tell you that the girder spanning C79 and C44 would be required to "walk" about 9" to fail, and that the maximum expansion that could be experienced by the beam to its east is around 5.3" and that NIST claim that the girder "walked"
Personally, if Jay told me it was raining, I would look out the window and check.
Perhaps you could try?
If there's no problem with 7WTC would there be no problem with the official story for the WTC?
Please explain how you have come to this conclusion
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