'What about building 7'?

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jaydeehess said:
Getting back to the 'explosion' at 6th floor. It should be noted that the 5th floor contained the 900 kW generator in the SW corner directly south of the east stairs.
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That section of floor was gouged out when WTC1 came down and that would have thrown those generators somewhere. I cannot see any evidence of them in the street so they likely went north, towards the stairwell.
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Note the location of the stairwells.

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DGM said:
Seeing we're focusing on detail:

Why were the emergency lights on?

Why was there "smoke, and dirt, and soot before".

Come on MM, you can field these questions.

If you accept the overwhelming evidence indicating they arrives after 9:45, there is no mystery.
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Mr. Jennings reported an explosion below the 6th floor remember.

Mr. Jennings said:
"When I made it to the 6th floor and there was an explosion.

The explosion was beneath me.

Keep in mind, now it's pitch black in there.

All the lights went out.

So when the explosion happened, it blew us back.
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I expect that created some "smoke, dirt and soot", and could well have damaged the emergency lighting and activated the sprinklers.
 
NoahFence said:
MM - now that JREF is riding into the sunset, care to take a stab at explaining and CONNECTING the entire day's events, not just irrelevant minutae?

Please?
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You are deathly afraid that when you type all the events of the day out, EVEN YOU will see that truthers are nothing but 100% grade-a morons.

THAT is why your kind has steadfastly refused to even attempt it.

9/11 was NOT WTC 7.

NOT WTC1.
NOT WTC2.

It was all encompasing in a manner you cannot fathom. If you'd like to do so, simply accept that terrorists hijacked planes, and from then on :rule10: happens. It happens EVEN THOUGH you can't explain it.

mindless drones. the whole lot of you.
 
Miragememories said:
Mr. Jennings reported an explosion below the 6th floor remember.



I expect that created some "smoke, dirt and soot", and could well have damaged the emergency lighting and activated the sprinklers.​
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Bit of a temporal problem there MM. Hess says that there was smoke and dust before the event at the sixth floor. That's what DGM was asking about. In fact I asked about it a couple of times a few pages back.​
 
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jaydeehess said:
Getting back to the 'explosion' at 6th floor. It should be noted that the 5th floor contained the 900 kW generator in the SW corner directly south of the east stairs.
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That section of floor was gouged out when WTC1 came down and that would have thrown those generators somewhere. I cannot see any evidence of them in the street so they likely went north, towards the stairwell.
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I have to point out that the generators in the SW corner were directly south of the west stairwell, not the east stairwell that Jennings and Hess most likely were decending.:)

But that does not matter in the overall scheme of the experience of Hess and Jennings. They were, whichever stairwell they descended, uncomfortabely close to large pieces of steel from WTC 1 ripping through the south face of WTC 7.
 
Miragememories said:
Mr. Jennings reported an explosion below the 6th floor remember.
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When WTC 1 collapsed there were two sources for the vibration felt by Jennings and Hess while they were inside the stairwell. One would bee the minor earthquake generated by all the debris from WTC 1 hitting the ground during the collapse. Second would be the impact from debris directly hitting WTC 7 and ripping through several floors, from top to bottom on the south face of the building.

The vibrations would be transferred through the buildings structure. Jennings and Hess would feel the vibrations through their feet. It would be quiet natural to think that the source of the vibrations are directly below them, when in reality it was caused by the collapse of giant skyscraper next door.

Here is an account of how a person in WTC 2 thought the source was below him when Flight 175 hit WTC 2, while in fact the impact was above him.
I felt the impact of the explosion that I believed was at my feet. I heard the crashing glass around me as the building rocked. My hands began to shake and my knees buckled. I knew I could not stay where I was and I had to go lower. I made my way to the stairs, passing people along the way. I saw the horror and the fear in several faces as I went by them. I still believed the impact was at my feet and as I descended past floor 50 and floor 40 I was sure I was going to see disaster.
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Source: One Man's Escape
 
Miragememories said:
Mr. Jennings reported an explosion below the 6th floor remember.[/color]
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Funny thing about transcribed eyewitness accounts:


Mr. Jennings said:
"When I made it to the 6th floor and there was an explosion.

The explosion was beneath me.

Keep in mind now, it's pitch black in there. (big change in the context)

All the lights went out. (no actual time frame mentioned)

So when the explosion happened, it blew us back.
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See what a simple change of a comma will do? Now Hess and Jennings agree. ;)
 
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jaydeehess said:
Bit of a temporal problem there MM. Hess says that there was smoke and dust before the event at the sixth floor. That's what DGM was asking about. In fact I asked about it a couple of times a few pages back.
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Michael Hess said:
"...we got exactly to 6, all of a sudden, at the same instant, 5 different things happened.

The first was, the lights went out. The emergency lights went out so we were in total darkness.

Second. The stairwell filled up with a tremendous amount of smoke, and dirt, and soot. Much more than it had been before...

And the last thing was....the stairway...ran into a wall. All of a sudden, as you were going down on the 6th floor, you hit a wall.
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This all happened in Mr. Jenning's account only he specifically qualified the explosion.
 
Miragememories said:
As editor with many years experience I am well aware of the need to edit for time and the tricks of trade used to achieve it.

I also know how effectively edits can misrepresent the truth.

If the only time he supposedly experienced collapse-caused shaking was when Mr. Hess was still on the 6th floor than Mr. Hess's later remarks would have made that clear.

The questionable edit, which took Mr. Hess from the 6th floor stairwell to the 8th floor office, picks up with Mr. Hess talking about calming down after building shaking, and that maybe it was a basement explosion, which appeared to have occurred .

With the interviewer injecting a query about what Mr. Hess heard at that stage, Mr. Hess continues on responding that he heard a tremendous wind and the sound of sirens.."and I look out the window...."

My problem when listening to Mr. Hess is that at no point does he contextually separate his second reference to the building shaking and a possible basement explosion, from rest of what he describes on the 8th floor.

When listening and watching the interview, to me, it sounds like he was describing another building shaking occurrence while on the 8th floor that was followed by his observation of blowing wind, sirens and what he saw from the broken window.
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Miragememories I think that you in this case should be a bit more careful with implying that BBC is misrepresenting the truth in how they edited the interview they posted on their website. Your transcript is from a Youtube video that has left out the first and last part of the version BBC posted. In the first part Hess describes how he got to OEM/EOC the 23rd floor. That part is not important in relation to the context we are discussing here. But the last part is important. I have transcribed it here:

Michael Hess said:
"My position, and I am quiet firm on it, there were no explosions. Did I feel the building shake? Absolutely and I recollect that. And I now know that was caused by the northern half of number one falling on the southern half of our building, and we were in the northern half of our building, so luckily we weren’t crushed."
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Source: BBC - Caught up in a conspiracy theory, it is the second video down on the page.

In my it is now even clearer, that when Hess is talking about the building shaking, he is talking about the same event, and that it was caused by the collapse of WTC 1. Namely his experience down on the 6th floor inside the stairwell, and not two separate occurrences. But I agree with you that it would have be niece if BBC had left in a bit more context in the interview. But if BBC really wanted to hide something, they could just as well have left out the part that you find suspicious, and instead jumped from the stairwell straight to the part I quoted above. Or they could have left out the part about Hess describing how he calmed down, and put in a slide telling the viewer that Hess now is inside the 8th floor, like they did earlier in the interview just before the part you transcribed. There they put in a slide that said; "On Trying to Escape From WTC 7" to mark the change in context from Hess talking about trying to get into the EOC on the 23rd floor, to Hess talking about his experience down in the stairwell.

Even though I consider the views of the person who posted the video on YouTube to be pretty far out (Directed Energy Weapon, Dr Jury Wood), he was at least honest enough to clearly state that he left the part I transcribed out, and he also linked to the complete interview on BBC.
 
Norseman said:
I have to point out that the generators in the SW corner were directly south of the west stairwell, not the east stairwell that Jennings and Hess most likely were decending.:)

But that does not matter in the overall scheme of the experience of Hess and Jennings. They were, whichever stairwell they descended, uncomfortabely close to large pieces of steel from WTC 1 ripping through the south face of WTC 7.
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:mad: I have made that error more than once. Leads me to think it could be my tablet auto correcting a mistype given that 'e' and 'w' are next to each other on the touch keyboard.
 
DGM said:
They both specify that the emergency lights went out. Why were they on? WTC 7 didn't lose power until after the south tower fell.
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jaydeehess said:
Why was there dust and smoke in the stairwell before the incident at the sixth floor?
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A sample of the many killer blows dealt to MM's "preferred timeline" in this thread. And all his efforts are devoted to retaining the idea of explosives being used, against whatever odds.

Unbelievable.
 
Miragememories said:
As editor with many years experience I am well aware of the need to edit for time and the tricks of trade used to achieve it.

I also know how effectively edits can misrepresent the truth.
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If ONLY, YOUR appeal to authority, and I do mean YOUR, carried weight! You would win the interweb! But YOU don't!
 
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Miragememories said:
This all happened in Mr. Jenning's account only he specifically qualified the explosion.
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jaydeehess said:
Why was there dust and smoke in the stairwell before the incident at the sixth floor?
Alternate question: how many times will you ignore or side step the above question?
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Mr. Hess said this all happened at the same time when they arrived at the 6th floor.

Presumably with Mr. Jennings in the lead.
 
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jaydeehess said:
Why was there dust and smoke in the stairwell before the incident at the sixth floor?
Alternate question: how many times will you ignore or side step the above question?
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Hess says of one of those things that happened all at once, that the dust and smoke became much worse than before. BEFORE the incident.

So why was there smoke and dust in the stairwell BEFORE the incident at 6th floor?
 
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