'What about building 7'?

[T.A.M.]

And the explosives were somehow not triggered when the fires broke out?

How long can explosives be safely placed and remain dormant in a working office building?

Add "Fireproof explosive encasements" to list of supplies needed by the perps.

TAM

 

[Disbelief]

Why I disagree with the NIST explanation -- During freefall, there must be simply a conversion of potential energy into kinetic energy. There can’t be any energy going elsewhere, such as doing work by bending metal in the structure below. That means, the structure below must get out of the way abruptly. Explosives are the only way to do this in a steel-framed high rise.

Since you make this sound like a necessary component of CD, can you show another CD that attains freefall? Thank you.

 

[Miragememories]

"As I asked, I'll ask again, WHERE DID THEY SAY, that the entire building was coming down AT 2.25 SECONDS OF FREE FALL?

I believe, what came from their report, was that the NORTH FACE of the building, not the entire building, had a moment of 2.25 seconds of free fall during the collapse."

And where do you see another part of WTC7 lingering behind?

Too funny.

MM

 

[leftysergeant]

And where do you see another part of WTC7 lingering behind?

The north face lingered behind. That's all that was not damaged beyond recovery before the mechanical towers sank.

 

[Miragememories]

"And where do you see another part of WTC7 lingering behind?"

The north face lingered behind. That's all that was not damaged beyond recovery before the mechanical towers sank."[/i]

Amazing.

Absolutely incredible denial.

The NIST has already said that global collapse occurred when we the north face begin to
drop.

No where do they suggest the north face was a lingering facade as you facetiously attempt to do.

MM

 

[The Big Dog]

Too funny is right. MM is there a reason that you persist in posting pictures that do not show the Penthouse collapse even after it has been explained to you dozens of time that they are misleading?

You are a charlatan.

Here is a video of the entire collapse that MM would prefer that you not see:

http://www.youtube.com/user/AlienEntity1#p/u/7/5tNhnTBzSyQ

 

[T.A.M.]

[qimg]http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9872/set3sccompositeua1.png[/qimg]

[qimg]http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1149/normalcbsb7montno3.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1071/set1sccompositejz7.png[/qimg]


And where do you see another part of WTC7 lingering behind?

Too funny.

MM

Well it should be as easy as pie for you and your truther friends to confirm for you that THE ENTIRE BUILDING fell at free fall for 2.25 seconds.

I await the report from NIST giving you your answer...let me know when you get it.

TAM

 

[triforcharity]

One must assume the building wasn't on fire at the time the explosives were placed. Had to have been the weeks and months before.

And yet, no explosives found, no evidence of any explosive, no visual evidence on video or audio, and no detection by the hundreds of dogs in the area.

So, you are basing this on what exacty?

 

[triforcharity]

And the explosives were somehow not triggered when the fires broke out?

How long can explosives be safely placed and remain dormant in a working office building?

Hours, days at most.

 

[triforcharity]

[qimg]http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9872/set3sccompositeua1.png[/qimg]

[qimg]http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1149/normalcbsb7montno3.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1071/set1sccompositejz7.png[/qimg]


And where do you see another part of WTC7 lingering behind?

Too funny.

MM

Amazing, in those pictures, we also don't see the penthouse either. Does it mean it wasn't there? OH ****!!! Someone faked a penthouse!! INSIDE JOBITY JOB!!!!!11!!

Derpa.

 

[Miragememories]

Amazing, in those pictures, we also don't see the penthouse either. Does it mean it wasn't there? OH ****!!! Someone faked a penthouse!! INSIDE JOBITY JOB!!!!!11!!

Derpa.

What part of global collapse do you fail to understand?

MM

 

[triforcharity]

What part of global collapse do you fail to understand?

MM

Where you imply that it was something other than fire that brought it down.

What part of GLOBAL do you not understand? Global, in this context, means the ENTIRE structure of the building, not just the exterior framing.

Derpa derpa.

 

[funk de fino]

And where do you see another part of WTC7 lingering behind?

Too funny.

MM

How were the ATC guys duped into seeing the radar track dissappear at the Pentagon? How did the military do that?

 

[Miragememories]

"NIST crafted their explanation at a time when they maintained the building came down 40% slower than freefall. I won’t go into the explanation other to say it was a natural progression following what they called thermal expansion of a long girder, due to out of control office fires.

NIST changed their position on freefall just before issuing their final report. The final report said the building collapse included a stage having a 2.25 sec. free-fall drop extending 8 stories. However, they didn’t change their explanation to go with this new position on freefall."

"The buckling required for this "freefall" portion, which only affects some of the perimeter, takes place in the seconds before the "freefall." As NIST explains in thorough detail, an eight-story section of the lower perimeter, now unbraced and heavily loaded, buckles. This absorbs energy but leads to little vertical displacement. However, once buckled, those columns have almost no remaining strength, so the next phase is the "free fall."

That "free fall" by the way is approximate. Also it was only measured on one face, and rotation can artificially inflate the apparent downward velocity. You cannot say there was no energy dissipation during this period, only that it was relatively little. But that's what we already expected."

bolding is mine

From NIST NCSTAR 1A

"a freefall descent over approximately eight stories at gravitational acceleration for approximately 2.25 s, and a decreasing acceleration as the north face encountered resistance from the structure below...The three stages of collapse progression described above are consistent with the results of the global collapse analyses discussed in Chapter 12 of NIST NCSTAR 1-9."

From NIST NCSTAR 1-9, WTC 7 Global Collapse Analysis

"In Stage 2, the north face descended at gravitational acceleration, as exterior column buckling progressed and the columns provided negligible support to the upper portion of the north face. This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s.

...a freefall descent over approximately eight stories at gravitational acceleration for approximately 2.25 s, and a decreasing acceleration as the north face encountered resistance from the structure below."

So much for the NIST's explanation in thorough detail.

Your depiction of what the NIST supposedly reported about free fall is fanciful ad-lib.

MM

 

[DGM]

bolding is mine


MM

Could you link to the actual report and show the page?

 

[The Big Dog]

bolding is mine

So much for the NIST's explanation in thorough detail.

Your depiction of what the NIST supposedly reported about free fall is fanciful ad-lib.

MM

With all due respect, you are incompetent. Please take the time to read and understand what you are responding to, particularly if you are going to call someone a liar.

let us read the actual sentence, not the ridiculously cherry picked straw man you created:

"The buckling required for this "freefall" portion, which only affects some of the perimeter, takes place in the seconds before the "freefall." As NIST explains in thorough detail, an eight-story section of the lower perimeter, now unbraced and heavily loaded, buckles. This absorbs energy but leads to little vertical displacement. However, once buckled, those columns have almost no remaining strength, so the next phase is the "free fall."

So, MM, the "thorough detail" refers to the explanation about the eight story section of the lower buckling. The free fall is the result.

I am at a loss to understand what you think you are accomplishing by such gross misunderstanding of simple written sentences, other than making yourself look like a fool.

 

[Miragememories]

Could you link to the actual report and show the page?

Any more obscure and I would require telepathy to know what you posted?

What report?

There are many.

MM

 

[DGM]

Any more obscure and I would require telepathy to know what you posted?

What report?

There are many.

MM

Where you got this:

From NIST NCSTAR 1-9, WTC 7 Global Collapse Analysis

"In Stage 2, the north face descended at gravitational acceleration, as exterior column buckling progressed and the columns provided negligible support to the upper portion of the north face. This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s.

...a freefall descent over approximately eight stories at gravitational acceleration for approximately 2.25 s, and a decreasing acceleration as the north face encountered resistance from the structure below."

And then concluded:

So much for the NIST's explanation in thorough detail.

That's not all they had to say now is it?

 

[T.A.M.]

What part of global collapse do you fail to understand?

MM

The part where you interpret "Global collapse" = "entire building fell at free fall for 2.25 seconds".

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

bolding is mine

From NIST NCSTAR 1A

"a freefall descent over approximately eight stories at gravitational acceleration for approximately 2.25 s, and a decreasing acceleration as the north face encountered resistance from the structure below...The three stages of collapse progression described above are consistent with the results of the global collapse analyses discussed in Chapter 12 of NIST NCSTAR 1-9."

From NIST NCSTAR 1-9, WTC 7 Global Collapse Analysis

"In Stage 2, the north face descended at gravitational acceleration, as exterior column buckling progressed and the columns provided negligible support to the upper portion of the north face. This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s.

...a freefall descent over approximately eight stories at gravitational acceleration for approximately 2.25 s, and a decreasing acceleration as the north face encountered resistance from the structure below."

So much for the NIST's explanation in thorough detail.

Your depiction of what the NIST supposedly reported about free fall is fanciful ad-lib.

MM

I Have highlighted the relevant parts...

TAM