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Welcome, Tandi

Janice said:
I do not spend a lot of my time doing research, but I have attended a few demonstrations of trance / sceances with a couple of the most well know mediums in this country, and I saw things that were unexplained (I have excellent eye sight). I'm not saying spend a lot of time doing research, but at least perhaps attend one demonstration with a well known medium and make your own mind up. If you can spend time defending your beliefs surely you can spare a few hours to attend a demonstration?
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Could you let us know the names of these particular mediums? Then perhaps someone on here could go and check them out.
 
Mojo - there are two well known training colleges in central london where I have attended demonstrations, based in Kensington & Bellgrave Square.
 
But you can't remember the names of the mediums you saw? Or the actual names of the venues you saw them at?
 
Janice said:
Derren Brown is a brilliant magician, not a medium.
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And how can you tell the difference? Do you just expect all tricksters to admit it?

As to whether any medium would let you carry out a controlled test, you would firstly have to attend, and secondly ask them.
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Well, I would prefer to ask them before seeing their show. It saves time. Personally, I have only spoken to one medium and I did ask her. She refused, unsurprisingly.

I can't speak for Mia Dolan, as I have never met the omen, but if she did agree to take the RANDI test then back out like Sylvia Brown, she obviously does not rate her ability very highly.
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She certainly did do that.
 
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos said:
I think we've shirked our responsibilities on the Easter Bunny and the invisible pink hamster orbiting Neptune, too.

~~ Paul
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Sorry ~ WTF is that crap supposed to mean ?

I thought you were an intelligent guy, Paul. Your posts tend to make me think that way. But this is not worthy of you.
 
Janice said:
Jason, this is another trait, when someone is not able to provide physical evidence on a forum (how are you supposed to do that anyway?) to then accuse others of being someone else. Along with woo woo, troll, delusional etc. etc. etc. I really thought that some of them would have got bored by now, but the amusing thing is they do it on here and other forums, must spend all their free time doing it. this is not all sceptics, just the few I have already mentioned on previous threads.

Repitition is another factor when conversing with a few of the sceptics on here. Anyway welcome to the forum.
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Thanks for the welcome Janice.

As you say repetition is the theme here, ie: "where is your evidence".
 
Jason 1978 said:
Thanks for the welcome Janice.

As you say repetition is the theme here, ie: "where is your evidence".
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What exactly did you expect people to respond? This is a skeptics board, asking for evidence for paranormal claims seams perfectly resonable to me.
 
BillC said:
Janice, how does one tell the difference between a brilliant magician and a psychic medium?
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Hi Janice.

I read your post earlier have come back and Bill has got there before me.

My question is the same as Bill's.

You said somewhere that Derren isn't a medium. But some believers think he is Janice. They also this Shirley Ghostman is too!, but that's another story. I have never been to see one of the celebrity mediums, I have only in the past gone to the local Spiritualist Church to see mediums. What I saw at the SC was no different to what Derren Brown did on the Messiah show. So a part of me 'can' understand why believers say his really is a medium.I presume they do this rather than admit it's nothing more than cold readings, because cold readings takes away the comfort they have had from supposed contact with a loved one. But what I don't understand is when people say he isn't a medium, that they accept it for what it is, that he is cold reading, but then still think that there are people who can communicate with our relatives that have died. What does a real medium do that is different from Derren Brown? I just don't get it? On the forum I used to hang out on some would say " oh yes, he exposes the charlatons out there, yet they still believed that some mediums where geniune.

How do they tell the difference?

Who are the mediums that are genuine?

I understand I might be missing something but I just don't get it.

Sharon
 
Jason 1978 said:
There is precious little counter evidence from sceptics to disprove the existence of the paranormal.

Additionally, some of the insults offered to believers are spiteful and puerile, beyond belief.
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Good Ed almighty! Paj, Paul and others: How can you stand trying to discuss the paranormal with believers when EVERY ONE of them responds like this EEG flatliner? Whatever happened to Lyndale (ICanTakePicturesOfDemons)? At least HE had the courage of his convictions and tried to present what he considered evidence. These brain-dead zombies cannot produce even one shred of evidence.

Janice will never reveal anything about the "genuine" mediums she believes in. (Hint: They don't exist, so she CAN'T.) "Dr." MAS and Kumar will never come up with any evidence for homeopathy. Tandi comes in here with her insistence that she didn't come for a debate and all of a sudden we're in the middle of the Monty Python "Argument Clinic" sketch ("I came in here for an argument." "No you didn't.") . And it is obvious that Jason will never come up with a single photograph that he personally believes is evidence of spirits.

All they'll ever say is "We don't have to prove anything. So there. Nyah Nyah Nyah!"

I regret the tone of this post. I've been a member here for several years and never have resorted to name-calling in my posts. I even thought that Randi has gone overboard sometimes in his commentary and have mentioned it on these forums (see "EFT Claims"). But year in and year out we get the same (rule 8). I'm getting really tired of it and I can't see how you guys can continue with these people. I salute you for it, but i can't understand it.
 
You know? You're right! I quit!

*turns off computer... opens front door... steps out, blinking, into the daylight*
 
Donks said:
What exactly did you expect people to respond? This is a skeptics board, asking for evidence for paranormal claims seams perfectly resonable to me.
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That would be perfectly acceptable if sceptics didn't gatecrash believer's boards, and start demanding evidence there as well.
 
Jason 1978 said:
That would be perfectly acceptable if sceptics didn't gatecrash believer's boards, and start demanding evidence there as well.
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I never did, but you chose to ignore questions I asked you in this thread nevertheless.
 
juryjone said:
Good Ed almighty! Paj, Paul and others: How can you stand trying to discuss the paranormal with believers when EVERY ONE of them responds like this EEG flatliner? Whatever happened to Lyndale (ICanTakePicturesOfDemons)? At least HE had the courage of his convictions and tried to present what he considered evidence. These brain-dead zombies cannot produce even one shred of evidence.
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Sadly, I also have to put up with closed mind, one dimensional, no brain cretins like you on believer boards as well.

What exactly have you given us in your last post other than offer insults ?

I love the little offering at the bottom of Janice's posts. A quote from the late Carl Sagan as follows:-

"People are not stupid. They believe things for reasons. The last way for skeptics to get the attention of bright, curious, intelliegent people, is to belittle or condescend or to show arrogance toward their beliefs"
 
Jason 1978 said:
That would be perfectly acceptable if sceptics didn't gatecrash believer's boards, and start demanding evidence there as well.
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Asking for evidence, particularly of extraordinary claims, is a sensible, and often instructive, thing to do - no matter what the forum. Why would anyone think otherwise?
 
Jason 1978 said:
"People are not stupid. They believe things for reasons. The last way for skeptics to get the attention of bright, curious, intelliegent people, is to belittle or condescend or to show arrogance toward their beliefs"
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Sagan was right. It's not their beliefs which reveal people to be stupid. It's their behaviour when the truth is revealed to them.
 
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