Really? Haven't we been through this already? Barely an hour and you're already recycling your arguments.
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Really? Haven't we been through this already? Barely an hour and you're already recycling your arguments.
Maybe the devil told them, as part of the deal Pat Robertson says they made.
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He's still the most documented in history.
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It's quite the great earthquake with 316,000 and 1 in 27 killed.
As has already been shown, this is not the case, we have far more evidence of Ancient Greek Philosophers, Roman Emperors, and even Egyptian Pharaohs than we do for Jesus.
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Jesus has more sources of Him within 150 years of His death than any 10 persons in antiquity combined. Jesus has 45 sources. Most figures have 1 or 2 sources. Tiberius had 9. Jesus had 5 times the sources as Tiberius a Roman Emperor.
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You really are a broken record...
Heraclitus has a total of 115 surviving fragments, Xenophanes 20, Parminedes 19, Empedocles and Anaxagoras have a combined 68, Pythagoras has 23, and the list goes on. And that's just Pre-Socratics from between 600 and 500 B.C.E
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Jesus had 25,000. No comparison. And as you know, that's just for starters.
Also nobody has sources so close to their death as did Jesus with original papyri from within 75 to 100 years of His death.
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Where does that number come from? What happened to 45? You aren't just making this all up are you?
There are NO writings contemporary with Jesus which refer to him. Apart from the New Testament writings, no author in the first century even mentions him. Two of his Jewish contemporaries wrote accounts of affairs in Judaea during his lifetime - Philo and Justus - neither mentions him. Of all people of his time to whom acts which must have attracted public attention (if they ever happened) are attributed, he is among the LEAST well documented.
Well documented would include people like Julius Caesar, whose writings have been preserved, and whose image is on a multitude of surviving coins, or Pontius Pilate, who is named in contemporary writings and in an inscription carved on a building stone recently found in the ruins of an ancient city. For Jesus we have nothing like this. "Most documented". Even Christian scholars make no such claim.
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This is silly statistical dicing.
1. Haiti - "Most per capita deaths"???? Whose figures? The Haitian government reports five times the deaths that other sources report. Further, if the quake in Kamchatka in the 1920s killed so many as two dozen people, it might have the record "per capita", because there just ain't no other people there. There might have been 50,000 on the entire peninsula!
2. Japan - financial loss. Do you find it a coincidence that every quake, hurricane/typhoon that sets a new record for financial loss is THE MOST RECENT BIG ONE? This is due to A) inflation and B) the fact that the earth is overpopulated and people are moving into geologically unstable/dangerous areas and doing silly things like building nuclear plants on fault lines.
The next 7.9 to 8.5 to 9.0 that occurs ANYWHERE with any kind of population, will be the next record holder for financial loss.
By the silliness of this claim, Jesus came back sometime in 1139. There were three huge quakes - records for their time, in Nov/1137, Oct/1138, and Sep/1139. The one in the middle was another of those 8.9 to 9.0
I've checked all the papers from 1139, and no one seems to mention a guy with sandals carrying everyone off to heaven. But maybe there weren't enough true believers then (and you'll recall that Jerusalem had fallen right around this time, too - fulfilling yet another necessary prophesy).
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Mr Brooks, or should I say Troy, give it up. I have reported you as a sockpuppet as a many times previously banned member.and you are not long for this forum. Your "argument" much like all your others is utterly useless and as good as all your previous spam that you have posted all over the internet, and your own laughable website.
You have been shown to be wrong so often, and have the same modus operandi evey time that you are utterly incapable of actually hiding how pathetic and obvious you actually are. Obvious sockpuppet is obvious. If this gets me a yellow card, so be it. I am trying to stop people from beating their head against a brick wall, which is you.
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You have been shown to be wrong so often, and have the same modus operandi evey time that you are utterly incapable of actually hiding how pathetic and obvious you actually are. Obvious sockpuppet is obvious. If this gets me a yellow card, so be it. I am trying to stop people from beating their head against a brick wall, which is you.
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Their* And it is precisely because their writings are quoted by other authors that we can verify their existence, the same cannot be said for Jesus.
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Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are contemporary even Acts, James, Peter and Jude.
As has been said time and again, this is not the case, most biblical scholars will disagree with you here.
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You can verify the existence of the 12 Apostlese in the Scriptures. Each was an independent account; and others like Josephus mention Jesus and his brother James.
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Most Biblical scholars have no reason for any late dating. The disciples died after they finished their works usually a good decade or two before then. There is nothing to suggest any late dating.
For example we talked about Mark why it was written around 35 AD, just 2 years after the cross, and Luke around 45 AD at the latest since it was completed before his biography of Paul in Acts that was completed before Paul died since it makes no mention of his death.
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The scriptures mentioning their main subject is not much of a surprise, and does little to prove the existence of Jesus.
I can find only this meagre total of possibles, not 25k certainties. Josephus (certainly a later interpolation), Suetonius, writing after 110 AD, Tacitus and Pliny the Younger, also 2nd century. And except for the reference in Josephus (certainly interpolated later) these authors merely attest to the existence of Christianity after 110 AD which nobody denies. They have nothing to tell us about Jesus' life.
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