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Silicon said:
Monsters.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm.../20040903/ap_on_re_eu/russia_school_seizure_9

HOW do you fight this? I'm at a complete loss.

There should be a swift reaction from the White House. We've got to do something.

Who are you calling monsters?

In defense of the Russians, they had settled in for a long siege, and no immediate assault was planned. But there were at least two explosions set off inside the compound, and I find it difficult to fault them for storming the compound.

Nothing, as far as I can tell, can be said in defense of the hostage-takers.
 
Re: Re: We are all Russians

epepke said:
Who are you calling monsters?

Who do you think?


You honestly think I'm here defending the terrorists who are killing children?


Is this sight so frigging whacked out that I have to clarify and make sure everyone knows that it's the mass-murderers of children that I'm calling the monsters?
 
But we arent Russians. I feel for em, but things suck alll over. How many people were killed in the Sudan since this school hostage started?
 
Tmy said:
But we arent Russians. I feel for em, but things suck alll over. How many people were killed in the Sudan since this school hostage started?

It's all the same war. Sudan, Russia, New York, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Palestine ...
 
"Things suck all over."?!!?


Maybe this forum IS as frigging wacked-out as that.




But what the hay, let's spend another 25 pages discussing whether or not Kerry got rice in his butt.





Terrorism HAS GOT to be made to be unacceptable. HOW can anyone back these people?
 
Im not backing terrorists. But lets be honest. We care about OUR terrorism. Sure we say its a war on ALL terror but we dont really mean that.

You think we'd send troops into the Mexican hinterlands to deal with rebel terroristS???? No. We arent even bothering with Sudan. Those people are basically helpless. At least the Russians can defend themselves.
 
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Silicon said:
You honestly think I'm here defending the terrorists who are killing children?

Please sit down and enjoy a nice, refreshing adult beverage.

The site IS whacked out, and it is whacked out in such a way that I have seen on dozens of occasions things that were about as evil excused on a tacit assumption that Muslims Can Do No Wrong. [edited to add] And when I said "Somos todos Espanoles," after the bombings in Spain, some people ragged on me, and it became a sarcastic quip for some time. So I get the impression that the "we are all X" formula has become a bit of a joke here, at my expense.

OK, so your head's on fine, but I've seen enough trolls and been ridiculed for biting often enough by this whacked-out community that I don't take anything on face value. So excuuuuse me!

Of course, I completely agree with you. My heart goes out to the Russian people, and if I had any idea of how to say "We are All Russians" in Russian, then I'd do so. Please to divert your anger and frustration at someone else.
 
Tmy said:
Those people are basically helpless. At least the Russians can defend themselves.

It's a global problem.

I'm just so mad about this. Who brings up these people? Don't they have mothers?
 
HOW do you fight this?

Rule #1: Do NOT bomb civilian cities with artillery and bombs.
Rule #2: Don't occupy land that wants indepedence.
Rule #3: Keep a reign on the military, to make sure they do not commit war crimes.

Russia did not obey these rules when they went into chechenya.

Read about Russia in Chechenya.

You kill one of us, we kill one of yours. An eye for an eye.

Gem
 
While the body count and scope are not on the order of 9/11, I think two downed airliners, a suicide bomber killing and a school taken hostage within the space of two weeks certainly constitutes the same moral outrage and international emotional support.

Not that Russia will ask, but I would be perfectly fine if the U.S. provided any assistance because of our relationship with Russia and my desire to foster good will between us.

As for the Sudan, I agree wholeheartedly that it is also a moral outrage. Unfortunately the U.N. is handling it, and handling it poorly, and we can't watchdog everywhere.

I don't mean to speak for Silicon, but I don't think he necessarily meant putting ground troops in Chechnya or operatives in Russia, just develop a working relationship Russia and whomever else towards the common goal of eliminating terrorism as a viable political tactic. I find that hard to disagree with.
 
Furious said:
While the body count and scope are not on the order of 9/11, I think two downed airliners, a suicide bomber killing and a school taken hostage within the space of two weeks certainly constitutes the same moral outrage and international emotional support.

I agree, and I hope that we can be cooler than the vast number of people who took advantage of 9/11 to say "neener neener boo boo." However, those words still ring in my ears. I think that we should support Russia in this matter to the extent that they want, but I don't think we should be so naive as to believe it's going to get us any respect.
 
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Silicon said:

You honestly think I'm here defending the terrorists who are killing children?


Is this sight so frigging whacked out that I have to clarify and make sure everyone knows that it's the mass-murderers of children that I'm calling the monsters?

You can thank AUP, The Fool, Demon, Mr Manifesto, EJ Armstrong and Ion for that. They've repeatedly defended mass-murderers of children, who, coincidentally are of the same ilk as these terrorists.
 
Well, epekepe, there are two types of people in this world, as we've seen after 9/11.

There are those who see the butchery of hundreds of children, the blowing up of passanger airlines, the suicide bombing, and the destruction of skyscrapers as horrific.

And there are those who see it as excusable... as long, of course, as it is done by someone who they like, or whose cause they feel sympathy for, however misguided.

Strangely, the latter type, the moral morons, also seem to think they are infinitely superior in their "compassion" and "understanding" to the rest of us "brainwashed" people. Don't ask me, I don't understand why, either.

But then again, in case there are any Russians here, let me first say I am appalled and disgusted of this horrible act of terror, and second, that those who would "explain" to you how it's all your fault, are not the kind of people you would want support from in the first place.

From experience, the more outraged at your "war crimes" and "illegal actions" actions these self-satisfied pricks are, the more likely it is that you are doing something right in your fight against the terroirsts; while if you are suddenly congratulated by them on your "humane and peaceful solution", it's a red light--it usually means you have chosen appeasement, surrender, and dishonor.
 
In defense of the Russians, they had settled in for a long siege, and no immediate assault was planned.
I respectfully disagree with a siege. I think the proper thing to do is to kill the terrorists as quickly as possible. No negotiations other than "release the hostages or die." The next terrorists need to know that they will be killed and given no time for statement or demands much less get anything from holding hostages.

If this means innocents die, I am sorry but that is the way it must happen. I feel for the hostages and their families but as far as I am concerned they have become accidental soldiers in the war against evil.

This seems cold and ruthless but it will save lives in the long run. My only goal would be to prevent the next terrorist attack.

CBL
 
Tmy said:
Im not backing terrorists. But lets be honest. We care about OUR terrorism. Sure we say its a war on ALL terror but we dont really mean that.

You think we'd send troops into the Mexican hinterlands to deal with rebel terroristS???? No. We arent even bothering with Sudan. Those people are basically helpless. At least the Russians can defend themselves.


Just curious, but do you ever get tired of saying stupid sh!t? :)
 
CBL4 said:
I respectfully disagree with a siege. I think the proper thing to do is to kill the terrorists as quickly as possible. No negotiations other than "release the hostages or die."
CBL

What good is threatening death to terrorists on a sucide mission???


Look i dont mean to playthe bad guy here. I really feel bad about those poor kids. I dont know how anyone could harm a bucnh of children, no matter what your beef is.

I still think that our fous is our terrorism. It that so strange to say a country worries about its own security more than others??

Can someone tell me of a situation were we are fighting terror that doesnt directly effect us???
 
CBL4 said:
I respectfully disagree with a siege.

I might be inclined to agree, and this would be an interesting side-discussion. Sometimes sieges are inappropriate. However, as for example the case of the Iranian hostages, waiting didn't turn out so bad, and Carter got a black eye for a failed rescue attempt.

However, what I wrote earlier was in not-knowing-whether-the-troll-wavefunction-had-collapsed mode. Cut me some slack.
 
I just im'd my old professor about how what happened in russia has pissed me off for weeks.

he im'd me back and said that I should be pissed off about what's happening in new york.

unbelievable.

Im finding it really tough to have any respect for liberals.
 

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