Wave goodbye to Internet freedom

Francesca R said:
Regulations (especially bad ones) cannot be changed?
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Not regulations, infrastructure. More accurately, the private investment made over the years to develop the infrastructure that is now the backbone of the internet in the US. You can't change the history of how that infrastructure was developed.

I don't suppose you favor the forced government take over of private, and profitable, assets, do you? Frankly, it would make me uneasy, but that would be the only way (short of a time machine) to reverse our current state.
 
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I don't have a problem with "forced competition". With utilities in the UK, you don't get to monopolise infrastructure even if you own it. This applies to water, gas, electricity, cable and broadband. You still have to allow other service providers to sell through it. The US could do that.

And I think more people regard the inadequate development of US telecom pipes as being a result of the protected monopoly priviledges of the carriers--in other words, somewhat the opposite of your implication that private firms in competition with each other left money on the table. This is borne out by the observation that you had no coherent competition policy until 1996 (previous post). See also the PDF I linked which covers this in great detail from a non partisan POV.
 
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Francesca R said:
I don't have a problem with "forced competition". With utilities in the UK, you don't get to monopolise infrastructure even if you own it. This applies to water, gas, electricity, cable and broadband. You still have to allow other service providers to sell through it. The US could do that.
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Francesca, that's what we're talking about. That IS network neutrality.

Seriously, what did you think network neutrality was?

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No it isn't. That's giving you a choice of ISPs, rather than requiring one dominant one to sell everything at a flat price in a one sided market not allowing beneficial discrimination.

Broadband content isn't homogeneous like gas.

Maybe you don't know what NN is?
 
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So far, the mere is holding true. Those who oppose network neutrality really don't understand what it is about.

Broadband traffic is just as homogeneous as gas, say air for example. Composed of different elements, but air currents don't move nitrogen around differently than oxygen.

Network neutrality says that an ISP can't treat video coming from hulu.com differently than Netflix.com. It must be source and type agnostic. What is so horrible about that?
 
Because it's government control of the Internet. You want to be like China?
 
TFian said:
Because it's government control of the Internet. You want to be like China?
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Have you ever read a single word of anything Upchurch has explained about Network Neutrality?

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Chaos said:
Have you ever read a single word of anything Upchurch has explained about Network Neutrality?

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And since when do corporations want to censor content? Last I checked it's always the government.

Don't include bittorrent and Comcast, they simply don't want torrents clogging up their bandwidth.
 
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Chaos said:
Have you ever read a single word of anything Upchurch has explained about Network Neutrality?

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You know, I thought you were misinterpreting sarcasm but TFian's reply leaves no doubt he was serious. :eye-poppi
 
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WildCat said:
You know, I thought you were misinterpreting sarcasm but TFian's reply leaves no doubt he was serious. :eye-poppi
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So, governments don't censor Internet material?

Please please show me a case where ISPs were deliberately censoring content.
 
TFian said:
So, governments don't censor Internet material?

Please please show me a case where ISPs were deliberately censoring content.
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Please show me what any of this has to do with net neutrality.
 
TFian said:
Government mandating what ISPs can and can't do.
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The government is mandating that the ISP's must give equal priority to all traffic. Regulation is prudent given that most markets in the US are duopoly (competition between one cable ISP and one phone ISP only). Without network neutrality, a Comcast user will find that their connection to videos on MSNBC.com are much quicker than those on FoxNews.com.

This isn't the fairness doctrine for the internet. It's regulation to keep controllers of infrastructure from gaining an unfair business advantage over the content that travels over the infrastructure.
 
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Here's two:

http://torrentfreak.com/comcasts-bittorrent-settlement-excludes-pirates-100114/

http://gizmodo.com/5701746/comcast-is-making-netflix-partners-pay-a-toll-to-deliver-movies
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Those aren't examples of censorship, but preventing their bandwidth from clogging up, which they have a right to.

Also it seems people conducting illegal activity "pirates" won't be able to claim settlement money. Don't see the problem with that, or how it's related to what I asked.
 
Newtons Bit said:
This isn't the fairness doctrine for the internet. It's regulation to keep controllers of infrastructure from gaining an unfair business advantage over the content that travels over the infrastructure.
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Actually it is the fairness doctorine, ISPs have to give everyone "equal" traffic.

Why do we need regulations to keep ISP business "fair"? In what way does network neutrality address monopoly trusts anyway?
 
TFian said:
And since when do corporations want to censor content? Last I checked it's always the government.

Don't include bittorrent and Comcast, they simply don't want torrents clogging up their bandwidth.
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Last time you checked... where exactly did you check - prisonplanet?

Upchurch has explained, carefully and thoroughly, what is going to happen without Network Neutrality. I suggest that you read his posts. I mean, read what he actually writes, not just your own "Network Neutrality is government censorship" spin.

When you have done that, come back and criticize what Network Neutrality really is.
 
Chaos said:
Last time you checked... where exactly did you check - prisonplanet?
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So China and Iran don't censor the Internet?

Chaos said:
I suggest that you read his posts. I mean, read what he actually writes, not just your own "Network Neutrality is government censorship" spin.
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As opposed to his left wing spin?

Chaos said:
When you have done that, come back and criticize what Network Neutrality really is.
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The difference is , I actually know what net neutrality is.
 
TFian said:
Actually it is the fairness doctorine, ISPs have to give everyone "equal" traffic.
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Do you have any evidence that this is the case? I've provided a link to the actual text of the legislation (in other threads, if not this one). Can you back up your claims?
 
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