Wave goodbye to Internet freedom

[TFian]

Oh, the irony! It's actually the opponents of net neutrality that are trying to stifle the free market with vertically integrated telecoms.

The true irony is trying to establish a free market with government control.

Go read some Ayn Rand please, not just the crap they teach you in schools.

 

[WildCat]

How?

Do you think fiber optic cable is mined from the ground or something?

First come first serve.

Not quite. You want easements on public right of ways and private land, you get regulated to make sure you're not abusing the monopoly granted to you by the government.

 

[WildCat]

The true irony is trying to establish a free market with government control.

Go read some Ayn Rand please, not just the crap they teach you in schools.

You and Ayn Rand think government-granted monopolies constitute a "free market"?

 

[TFian]

Do you think fiber optic cable is mined from the ground or something?

No.

Not quite. You want easements on public right of ways and private land, you get regulated to make sure you're not abusing the monopoly granted to you by the government.

Since the infrastructure is privately owned, this is not relevant.

 

[TFian]

You and Ayn Rand think government-granted monopolies constitute a "free market"?

Not at all. I want all government subsidies removed. It should be a survival of the fittest environment for the markets. Go learn more than what the schools teach you.

 

[WildCat]

No.

So what is the point of your question?

Since the infrastructure is privately owned, this is not relevant.

It's very relevant. It's on public land granted to it by the government, also on easements on private land.

Maybe they should figure out how to lay all that cable without using any public land, or private easements, if they don't like the rules.

 

[WildCat]

Not at all. I want all government subsidies removed.

Where would all this cable be laid in Libertopia?

 

[Nosi]

Consumers rejected that business model long ago. Remember those "1000 free minutes" cds AOL sent you every few days?

I chucked 'em. I know people who made wacky art out of them, silver side to viewers.

 

[TFian]

So what is the point of your question?

I wasn't aware there was one.

Maybe they should figure out how to lay all that cable without using any public land, or private easements, if they don't like the rules.

By that logic, every business is on "public land".

 

[TFian]

Where would all this cable be laid in Libertopia?

Under the ground?

 

[Newtons Bit]

No.



Since the infrastructure is privately owned, this is not relevant.

The easements are not owned by the company that owns the infrastructure. If Comcast doesn't get regulated, then I can dig up their infrastructure that runs through my backyard.

 

[TFian]

The easements are not owned by the company that owns the infrastructure. If Comcast doesn't get regulated, then I can dig up their infrastructure that runs through my backyard.

You may certainly try.

 

[WildCat]

I wasn't aware there was one.

So you admit that there is no limit to the amount of possible bandwidth?

By that logic, every business is on "public land".

No. Almost all business is on private land. I see net neutrality isn't the only thing that confuses you.

Under the ground?

Where is this ground located?

 

[TFian]

So you admit that there is no limit to the amount of possible bandwidth?

Yes there is, resources are finite after all.

No. Almost all business is on private land. I see net neutrality isn't the only thing that confuses you.

I'm not confused, you are.

Where is this ground located?

Private property.

 

[WildCat]

You may certainly try.

Certainly, in Libertopia one could remove any such infrastructure located on one's property?

And, of course, there would be no public lands in Libertopia... just where will all this infrastructure be buried?

 

[TFian]

Certainly, in Libertopia one could remove any such infrastructure located on one's property?

Not if it isn't on their property, or isn't their cords.

And, of course, there would be no public lands in Libertopia... just where will all this infrastructure be buried?

Under ground.

 

[Newtons Bit]

You may certainly try.

You don't understand the situation. You're advocating a scenario where it's survival of the fittest and government doesn't interfere at all. Government interference grants the utility company easements on my land. Their property is allowed to be on land. If your perfect scenario removes all government interference it also removes the easement protections. Their infrastructure is on my property, I can remove it.

The point I'm making that you completely fail to understand is that utility companies require protection of governments to exist. Because the protection is granted to them they get regulated.

 

[WildCat]

Yes there is, resources are finite after all.

Bandwidth is, for all intents and purposes, infinite.

I'm not confused, you are.



Private property.

Too bad, so sad, I don't want your cables on my property. Or maybe I once did but no longer, so I'm going to dig it up and remove it.

How reliable is this infrastructure in Libertopia?

 

[TFian]

Bandwidth is, for all intents and purposes, infinite.

Earth is a finite place.

Too bad, so sad, I don't want your cables on my property. Or maybe I once did but no longer, so I'm going to dig it up and remove it.

That is certainly your right, unless you're contractually obligated.

How reliable is this infrastructure in Libertopia?

As reliable as the market makes it.

 

[Newtons Bit]

Too bad, so sad, I don't want your cables on my property. Or maybe I once did but no longer, so I'm going to dig it up and remove it.

How reliable is this infrastructure in Libertopia?

Or a competitor buys the property and removes it.