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Waterboarding Rocks!

The Painter said:
This entire thread is torture.
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Well, yeah, expect to get the fool slapped out of you if you posts something hideously inhumane and contrary to the conventions of civilized behavior or contrary to the needs of a nation trying both to contain a foreign enemy and undo the damage done to our honor and our souls by creeps like Rummy and Yoo.

You people are idiots.
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This word applies best to people who shriek at the tops of their lungs crap that history disproves. Fail.

Only people who believe in torture will continue to post here, all others will stop.
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The grown ups are not going to shut up and give the little boy bullies the run of the forum. When someone dredges something up out of the gutter, the grown ups will slap him down. Live with it.
 
leftysergeant said:
The grown ups are not going to shut up and give the little boy bullies the run of the forum. When someone dredges something up out of the gutter, the grown ups will slap him down. Live with it.
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Aren't you one of the "grown-ups" who said that the CIA is lying that there were only three detainees waterboarded? Care to offer the names of the others?
 
Cicero said:
I have zero problem with any American, uniformed or not, in WWII fighting the enemy in any way they saw fit, in the heat of battle, or safely behind their own lines. You are the one who considers an American that went beyond Marquis of Queensberry Rules as war criminals. When American soldiers liberated Dachau, they shot surrendering SS guards. So what?
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So, your evidence for America's torturing of prisoners during WWII to gain information (so you can try and justify America's torturing of prisoners now to gain information) is now...that GIs liberating one of the Nazi death camps reacted with a brief burst of rage and violence upon seeing the horrific results of the Holocaust for the first time in person?

You really need to stop trying to draw comparisons between things, Cicero. You're really really bad at it.
 
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Cicero said:
I have zero problem with any American, uniformed or not, in WWII fighting the enemy in any way they saw fit, in the heat of battle, or safely behind their own lines. You are the one who considers an American that went beyond Marquis of Queensberry Rules as war criminals. When American soldiers liberated Dachau, they shot surrendering SS guards. So what?

"The American GIs in a frenzy or horror, anger and guilt gun down some 122 captured German soldiers - most of them Waffen SS. Dozens of inmates break out of the prison enclosure and kill approximately 40 guards, some with their bare hands. Private John Lee of I Company later told newspapers that he was personally involved in at least 60 of the killings."
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Is your moral compass really that badly calibrated? These were not surrendering soldiers. They were mass murderers and barely human. The prisoners were attacking them too. Really better to just kill them quickly on the spot so that the prisoners would not be as likely to injure themselves. The life of a criminal is of little regrad in the heat of battle. What effect would the word of this have had? Would it not have senbt the message that it were better not to maintain your post on the barbed wire when the Allies arrived?

The Allies just killed them on the spot, knowing that they were not soldiers and had nothing to offer humanity anyway. They didn't inflict unneccessary pain in doing so. Probably did them a favor. A bullet is probably less painful than being carried alive to the Krema.
 
ANTPogo said:
So, your evidence for America's torturing of prisoners during WWII to gain information (so you can try and justify America's torturing of prisoners now to gain information) is now...that GIs liberating one of the Nazi death camps reacted with a brief burst of rage and violence upon seeing the horrific results of the Holocaust for the first time in person?

You really need to stop trying to draw comparisons between things, Cicero. You're really really bad at it.
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This was in reply to Upchurch's irrational post about me believing the worst about American soldiers in WWII and not having any "respect" for them. I applaud the fact that G.I.'s shot Dachau guards who were their prisoners. According to Upchurch, they must be war criminals for not abiding by the Geneva Convention.
 
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Cicero said:
This was in reply to Upchurch's irrational post about me believing the worst about American soldiers in WWII and not having any "respect" for them. I applaud the fact that G.I.'s shot Dachau guards who were their prisoners. According to Upchurch, they must be war criminals for not abiding by the Geneva Convention.
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Why are you now snivelling about Waffen SS getting what they had coming? It's not like our guys slowly lifted them by piano wires around their necks.

See, this is what it does to an enemy's mind when they know that you do dispicable things. You get dispicable things done to you in return and nobody is going to feel any sympathy toward you or want to give you any kind of aid even in an extreme case.

Torture really earns you a lot of respect, doesn't it?
 
ANTPogo said:
So, your evidence for America's torturing of prisoners during WWII to gain information (so you can try and justify America's torturing of prisoners now to gain information) is now...that GIs liberating one of the Nazi death camps reacted with a brief burst of rage and violence upon seeing the horrific results of the Holocaust for the first time in person?

You really need to stop trying to draw comparisons between things, Cicero. You're really really bad at it.
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Interesting to see where the immorality is regarding treatment of POW's. If you kill them in a "burst of rage" its understandable. But if you waterboard three detainees it is reprehensible.
 
Cicero said:
Interesting to see where the immorality is regarding treatment of POW's. If you kill them in a "burst of rage" its understandable. But if you waterboard three detainees it is reprehensible.
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Shooting SS vermin whom you catch in the act of a dispicable crime is not morally equivalent to inflicting lasting pain on someone just because you were told he might have committed a crime.

And don't tell me that torture does not cause PTSD.
 
leftysergeant said:
Shooting SS vermin whom you catch in the act of a dispicable crime is not morally equivalent to inflicting lasting pain on someone just because you were told he might have committed a crime.

And don't tell me that torture does not cause PTSD.
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We will see if Chris Hitchens seeks therapy for the PTSD of being waterboarded, twice.
 
boloboffin said:
You are evil, BeAChooser. You are petty and vicious and you don't care who knows it.
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ROTFLOL! So says someone who would apparently rather let a hundred thousand people die than cause some temporary pain and discomfort to a known terrorist (who was truly evil) in an effort to learn information that could likely prevent that massive loss of life. All because it would bother your sense of "morality". :rolleyes:

Boloboffin ... you've demonstrated that you don't know what the words "moral" or "evil" even mean. And you are typical of the left, if what we've discovered in this thread is indicative of the left and Obama's supporters. And THAT is the problem AND the danger, here ... not people like me.

Like I said in the beginning. Liberal thinking is going to get a lot of Americans killed in a terrorist attack before long.
 
Cicero said:
Interesting to see where the immorality is regarding treatment of POW's. If you kill them in a "burst of rage" its understandable. But if you waterboard three detainees it is reprehensible.
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Seriously, stop trying to draw comparisons. You're awful at it.
 
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Dr Adequate said:
I answered your post #903 in post #906.
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But you didn't answer the content, as I said. You totally ignored content as anyone reading your post #906 can see. You, once again, prove my observations about you DA. This thread has been most illuminating in that way. :D
 
BeAChooser said:
ROTFLOL! So says someone who would apparently rather let a hundred thousand people die than cause some temporary pain and discomfort to a known terrorist (who was truly evil) in an effort to learn information that could likely prevent that massive loss of life. All because it would bother your sense of "morality". :rolleyes:

Boloboffin ... you've demonstrated that you don't know what the words "moral" or "evil" even mean. And you are typical of the left, if what we've discovered in this thread is indicative of the left and Obama's supporters. And THAT is the problem AND the danger, here ... not people like me.

Like I said in the beginning. Liberal thinking is going to get a lot of Americans killed in a terrorist attack before long.
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Here's a scenario for you, BAC. You're in charge of a prisoner who definitely has information about an impending terrorist attack on a Hillary Clinton 2016 rally in Florida. Tens of thousands of American citizens cheering Hillary on to victory and you can stop a terrorist attack on them by torturing this person. And Florida is close this year - if Hillary lost it, Sarah Palin would sweep to victory.

What do you do?
 
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BeAChooser said:
Liberal thinking is going to get a lot of Americans killed in a terrorist attack before long.
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Brainster alluded to this line of thinking earlier in this thread. To me, this is more frightening than BAC's outlandish scenario and demand for simplistic thinking.

When we get hit again, if we're under a Democratic administration, the rightwingers are going to to nuts. It will be blamed on "liberal thinking", those un-American lefties, politicos soft on communism, etc. Ugly, extreme partisanship will be the order of the day. Forgotten will be "you're either with us or against us" or "dissent is anti-American" or "why do you hate America?".

I dread the event and I dread the political aftermath - the one that will be championed by the likes of BAC.
 
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Originally Posted by The Painter
This entire thread is torture. You people are idiots. Only people who believe in torture will continue to post here, all others will stop.

SezMe said:
Hey, BAC and Cicero, how do you feel about The Painter calling you an idiot?
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So, you're for torture?
 
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