Watchmen

[dudalb]

I will go see it,sure,but I do not have high hopes.
Zack Synder is 50/50 with me...I (surprisingly) liked his remake of Dawn of the Dead (although the Romero original was a much superior film) but hated "300" . I am afraid he is going to aim Watchmen at his core audience of testosteron crazed teens and miss all the subtlelty and charactization that made the novel so compelling.And nothing he has down has shown us that Synder can handle the complexity of the novel.
And the cast seems way,way,too young.

 

[geni]

Pretty solid discussion with minimal flaming going on here about if Adrian Viedt should live or die....

If he dies the parallel with Truman is weakened which makes a mess of one of Rorschach's inconstancies.

 

[The Demon's Head]

I prefer for The Watchmen to be adapted as how Sin City was adapted. I really couldn't accept the adaptation any other way. And it is not a lot of material that their adapting when comparing the many years worth of material of Batman or Spider-Man.

 

[dudalb]

I prefer for The Watchmen to be adapted as how Sin City was adapted. I really couldn't accept the adaptation any other way. And it is not a lot of material that their adapting when comparing the many years worth of material of Batman or Spider-Man.

WATCHMAN Is quite literally a Graphic Novel...a long,complex single story with and beginning and an end....,whereas Batman and Spiderman are basically a bunch of short stories spread out over many years.
You can't pick adc choose and rearrage elements from WATCHMAN the way you can with Batman and Spidey.
ANd the characters are way more complex then the typical superhero comic.
Apples and Oranges.

 

[Magic 9-Ball]

WATCHMAN Is quite literally a Graphic Novel...a long,complex single story with and beginning and an end....,

I agree. And I always have thought that it should be a mini series, as a 2 hour movie could never give it its due. But it's not a network miniseries. Not the Sci-Fi channel, either. HBO maybe.

It's memorable in so many ways. The ending is great.

I just re-read it again, and finished it 2 days ago.

 

[The Demon's Head]

There should not be the changing of events with The Watchmen as there were changes with the Batfilms and Spider-Man films which was wrong.

I think we agree about no changing of events and characters concerning the adaptation of The Watchmen, right?

 

[ponderingturtle]

There should not be the changing of events with The Watchmen as there were changes with the Batfilms and Spider-Man films which was wrong.

I think we agree about no changing of events and characters concerning the adaptation of The Watchmen, right?

Why? So was LA Confidential such a bad movie because it was so radically different from the book? The author did not think so.

I think the important thing is to tell the best story and make the best movie that can be done, and not worry about being overly worried about getting all the details as similar to the original story as possible.

 

[The Demon's Head]

Why? So was LA Confidential such a bad movie because it was so radically different from the book? The author did not think so.

Whether or not the creators of characters and story say it was properly made or not isn't exactly the issue here.

I think the important thing is to tell the best story and make the best movie that can be done, and not worry about being overly worried about getting all the details as similar to the original story as possible.

As long as the film makers adaptations are meant to be entirely faithful or a great percentage is faithful depending on the context. This is how the debate of changing events becomes evident when discussing the adaptation of The Watchmen.

 

[Overman]

There should not be the changing of events with The Watchmen as there were changes with the Batfilms and Spider-Man films which was wrong.

I think we agree about no changing of events and characters concerning the adaptation of The Watchmen, right?

What you consistantly fail to comprehend is that what makes a good comic book does not necessarily make a good movie. The mediums are different, people perceive them differently, and people think in a different fashion while experiencing them.

Changes are absolutely necessary, if not just for time justification.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Whether or not the creators of characters and story say it was properly made or not isn't exactly the issue here.

So your contention is that the shift from a serial killer story to a corrupt gangster story, by definintion means that the movie LA Confidential sucks.

As long as the film makers adaptations are meant to be entirely faithful or a great percentage is faithful depending on the context. This is how the debate of changing events becomes evident when discussing the adaptation of The Watchmen.

And this is exactly the fanboy attitude that to many people have. Film is a different media from comics, stories work differently in each media as each has certain strengths and weaknesses. You should not get to tied up in saying "But THIS is the only TRUE WAY TO MAKE A FILM" becuase you will be wrong.

I have seen translations between media work where they where very accurate, and ones that removed or added major characters.

 

[The Demon's Head]

So your contention is that the shift from a serial killer story to a corrupt gangster story, by definintion means that the movie LA Confidential sucks.

No. My comment was about whether or not creators think adaptations of their works is proper.

And this is exactly the fanboy attitude that to many people have. Film is a different media from comics, stories work differently in each media as each has certain strengths and weaknesses. You should not get to tied up in saying "But THIS is the only TRUE WAY TO MAKE A FILM" becuase you will be wrong.

I have seen translations between media work where they where very accurate, and ones that removed or added major characters.

What exactly has been completely accurate about any of the recent superhero adaptations? This question barring Sin City, Superman: The Movie and Batman Begins. Which Batman Begins should have been better.

The different mediums is a lousy excuse.

 

[ponderingturtle]

What exactly has been completely accurate about any of the recent superhero adaptations? This question barring Sin City, Superman: The Movie and Batman Begins. Which Batman Begins should have been better.

The different mediums is a lousy excuse.

So only comic book movies count now?

 

[The Demon's Head]

That is not my agruement.

 

[ponderingturtle]

That is not my agruement.

Then what is your arguement then for why Watchmen MUST have a minimal number of changes to be a good movie?

 

[The Demon's Head]

I suppose you think changes applied to the Spider-Man films and X-Men films made those films great?

 

[Thanz]

What exactly has been completely accurate about any of the recent superhero adaptations? This question barring Sin City, Superman: The Movie and Batman Begins. Which Batman Begins should have been better.

The different mediums is a lousy excuse.

A lousy excuse for what? Making changes? It is not an excuse - it is a reason. And a good one. You have a base presumption that no changes should be made when adapting from one medium to the other. You need to support that assumption with something - some fact or argument - rather than just reasserting it in different ways.

Why, in order to be a 'good' movie, must a movie based on a comic be slavishly faithful to the comic?

As for Sin City, however good it may be as a comic/graphic novel, as movie it was just okay. Not great. I thought that the movie adaptations of X-Men and Spiderman (certainly the first two of each series, less so the third installments) were much better movies than Sin City.

 

[Augustine]

Personally I do not care if the events of the story change, so long as the characters maintain their integrity with the original story. (cf League of Extraordinary Gentlemen) Unfortunately, the battle for the soul of this movie will be between the desire for a summer blockbuster and the faithfulness to the darker undertones and complexity of the graphic novel.

 

[The Demon's Head]

The adaptation of Sin City was better than just okay. It was pretty much perect.

I have not seen a Marvel films that are about a Marvel character. Spider-Man films needed a reboot from the very beginning. Sure, the Spider-Man films were successful in terms of profits but poor adaptations.

 

[Thanz]

The adaptation of Sin City was better than just okay. It was pretty much perect.

The problem is that you are rating it solely as an adaptation. It may be a good adaptation of the comic, but as a movie, it was just okay. And part of the reason it was just okay could be due to the slavish way it was adapted.

I have not seen a Marvel films that are about a Marvel character. Spider-Man films needed a reboot from the very beginning. Sure, the Spider-Man films were successful in terms of profits but poor adaptations.

This is just silly. The core of Spiderman was still there.

You still need to come up with some reason why a more faithful adaptation would make for a better movie.

 

[Wheezebucket]

You can't get a straight answer out of him on this subject.