Watchmen

[MelBrooksfan]

I do fear a bit. Moore has already resigned from the picture in disgust.

Moore resigns from disgust from every picture based on his works. Said pictures always suck (Yes, even V for Vendetta. V for Vendetta was a travesty), though.

 

[The Demon's Head]

Well if you're looking for a 'superhero' in the Watchmen, sounds like you're just as off-base as Snyder appears to be.

Did I say that? No, I did not. The comment was made about casting beautiful people for roles. I took it a step further by commenting about how film makers will cast a pretty face to show rather than the superhero.

 

[Wheezebucket]

Did I say that? No, I did not. The comment was made about casting beautiful people for roles. I took it a step further by commenting about how film makers will cast a pretty face to show rather than the superhero.

You just said it again...

(The Watchmen isn't about 'superheroes')

 

[The Demon's Head]

I did not say that. Read it again.

 

[alfaniner]

I think Malcolm's Dad would make a great Ozymandias. (He can play serious roles.)

 

[MelBrooksfan]

Regardless of whether you said that, he's wrong. Watchmen is about superheroes. It's about the entire superhero genre and, largely, the evolution of superhero comics in general. The Minute Men of the past being representative of the true-blue comics Golden Age and the heroes of the continuity's modern time representing the grittier portrayals of the silver and modern ages.


With regards to a pretty face, that might not be inappropriate for Veidt, really. Ozymandias is supposed to be that. It juxtaposes his true nature quite well. A pretty face for the aged Dan Dreiberg or Rorschach, though? Not a chance.

 

[The Demon's Head]

Regardless of whether you said that, he's wrong. Watchmen is about superheroes. It's about the entire superhero genre and, largely, the evolution of superhero comics in general. The Minute Men of the past being representative of the true-blue comics Golden Age and the heroes of the continuity's modern time representing the grittier portrayals of the silver and modern ages.


With regards to a pretty face, that might not be inappropriate for Veidt, really. Ozymandias is supposed to be that. It juxtaposes his true nature quite well. A pretty face for the aged Dan Dreiberg or Rorschach, though? Not a chance.

I agree that The Watchmen is partly the reason why comics have evovled. DKR can also be associated with the idea.

I'll agree that V for Vendetta was a bastardization for the most part.

I really wish these adaptations would stop, but it seems more and more are being given the greenlight. Not only are the characters being given a poor treatment in the literary forms, but it is just as bad on film.

 

[MelBrooksfan]

I'll agree that V for Vendetta was a bastardization for the most part.

Travesty may have been strong. But a lot of things just shouldn't have been done (chief among them being giving far too much focus to Creedy and far too little to Finch. What was the point of Finch in the movie, anyway?)

 

[The Demon's Head]

Travesty may have been strong. But a lot of things just shouldn't have been done (chief among them being giving far too much focus to Creedy and far too little to Finch. What was the point of Finch in the movie, anyway?)

And the chaning of events was wrong. However, Weaving was spot on with his performance as V with a few minor things absent from the character.

 

[MelBrooksfan]

And the chaning of events was wrong. However, Weaving was spot on with his performance as V with a few minor things absent from the character.

I assume you mean the order in which V blew things up.. That didn't much matter to me. But I really, really missed V's speech to the statue of Justice. Weaving did well with what he had. I do think they (the Wachowskis) could've reinforced the "Maybe he's just nuts" side of V's character more.

 

[The Demon's Head]

I assume you mean the order in which V blew things up.. That didn't much matter to me. But I really, really missed V's speech to the statue of Justice.

I really don't want to go into detail about it since this thread is about The Watchmen.

Bottom line, V for Vendetta was impressive visually with a decent performance from Weaving but still a dissapointment.

 

[MelBrooksfan]

I really don't want to go into detail about it since this thread is about The Watchmen.

Bottom line, V for Vendetta was impressive visually with a decent performance from Weaving but still a dissapointment.

Alrighty.. RERAIL:
http://www.rorschachsjournal.com/

It's a kind of viral advertising gig wherein you can converse with Rorschach via e-mail. Responses come in character and everything.

 

[wollery]

Why oh why can most film makers not cast people appropriate for the role they're playing?

The characters should mostly be in their 40s and 50s, and most (Nite Owl particularly) should look it, although, to be fair, they will also need young looking versions for the flashbacks (assuming they include those).

 

[Wheezebucket]

Regardless of whether you said that, he's wrong. Watchmen is about superheroes. It's about the entire superhero genre and, largely, the evolution of superhero comics in general. The Minute Men of the past being representative of the true-blue comics Golden Age and the heroes of the continuity's modern time representing the grittier portrayals of the silver and modern ages.

The story has nothing to do with the evolution of superhero comic books in real life. Yeah, one of the things that makes Watchmen great is that it works on so many levels, as intended, but that should hardly be the focus of a film adaptation - it wouldn't make any sense, and it's not really the focus in any format, in my opinion.

I was more taking a dig at Demon's Head than anything, just because he annoys me, but my point was - the super heroics aren't, and shouldn't be, the focus. They weren't in the book, and they shouldn't be in the movie, any more than a pretty face should be.

Then again, I wish they weren't making it at all, so...eh.

 

[MelBrooksfan]

Why oh why can most film makers not cast people appropriate for the role they're playing?

The characters should mostly be in their 40s and 50s, and most (Nite Owl particularly) should look it, although, to be fair, they will also need young looking versions for the flashbacks (assuming they include those).

The way the Hollis Mason was drawn always reminded of Dick Van Dyke.

but that should hardly be the focus of a film adaptation - it wouldn't make any sense

That's the problem with the film adaptation. Moore wrote his pieces, especially Watchmen to, paraphrasing, show what comics could do that movies couldn't.

 

[Wheezebucket]

That's the problem with the film adaptation. Moore wrote his pieces, especially Watchmen to, paraphrasing, show what comics could do that movies couldn't.

I agree completely. I mean hell, just look at the panel structure alone. The way most pages mimic others, the mirrored images and reverses - and all of it, every last panel, is tied so directly into what he was doing there. To rip all that apart and shove it into a two hour movie...it's a crying shame. No wonder Moore won't put his name on any of this crap or take any money from it.

 

[Overman]

I just read one of the proposed scripts...It is not bad at points, but no masterpiece...I think a lot of people will not be happy.

Back to the derail...

I had never read V for Vendetta until after I saw the movie, and as a fresh face to it I loved the movie. I was really really impressed. Then I read the comic, and it was awesome as well, but the movie was still solid.

They make movies for people who have never read the comics, not people who have. We will always be disappointed with many aspects that just don't cross over.

If you are gonna dig it as a movie, you have to forget everything you know about it.

PS. David Hayter's script.

PPS. Tse's script.

It is not really spoilers when you alrealdy know what is going to happen!

 

[Vorticity]

With regards to a pretty face, that might not be inappropriate for Veidt, really. Ozymandias is supposed to be that. It juxtaposes his true nature quite well.

I agree completely. But the guy they selected is still much too young. That's why I suggested Viggo Mortensen for Ozymandias.

Of course, I'm sure they'll pick the wrong people for the other roles as well.

Brad Pitt as Dreiberg
Elijah Wood as Rorschach

Some goddamned thing like that...

 

[Uncle Feedle]

There's no way they will be able to cram this into 2-3 hours, at least not in any form that does the story justice. It's just too complex and deep. I favour a LOTR-style trilogy (or possibly a mega-budget, 12-part mini series).
As a superhero film, it would have to be unlike any other, with no-holds-barred brutal, realistic violence and the casting of mature, seasoned actors - REAL actors, not Hollywood A-list beautiful people. It might even benefit from using unknowns.

 

[The Demon's Head]

I was more taking a dig at Demon's Head than anything, just because he annoys me, but my point was - the super heroics aren't, and shouldn't be, the focus. They weren't in the book, and they shouldn't be in the movie, any more than a pretty face should be.

Feel free to put me on ignore, I won't be offended.