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Watchmen

Beleth said:
Besides, there's only one person who can really play Rorschach.
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I was thinking Ron Perlman:

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Big. Menacing. Red hair. He'd be perfect.
 
kmortis said:
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT'S HOLY, PLEASE SHOOT THAT MAN BEFORE HE KILLS THIS MOVIE FOR ME!!!! CRUISE???? As Ozymandius???? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
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Well, as for Ozymandius, how about Viggo Mortensen:

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Give him a square haircut, slap a suit and tie on him, and I can see it.
 
I agree, Watchmen is a true work of genius. I've read it several times.

1. Do you think that Adrian Veidt's plan works in the long run?
No, for many of the same reasons that others have already given.

2. Do you think that an alien invasion would unite the human race?
Yes, at least in the short term, but as Doc Manhattan points out, "Nothing ends, nothing ever ends."

3. Got any favorite moments/chapters/insights you would like to discuss?
The whole ongoing exchange between the psychiatrist and Rorschach is fantastic. In particular the way Rorschach gets into his head and causes him to totally lose his objectivity.

I also like the "comic within the comic" - a lovely touch, and the relationship between the news vendor and the kid is great.

I also like the idea that the only character with genuine superpowers is Dr Manhattan. A refreshing twist on the superhero genre (okay, so batman doesn't have any actual powers, but I hope you know what I mean).
 
Vorticity said:
I was thinking Ron Perlman:

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Big. Menacing. Red hair. He'd be perfect.
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Except that Rorschach is a short skinny guy, wearing elevator shoes. The actor would have to be no more than 5'8", and slightly built.
 
Has anyone ever actually read the text-y parts at the ends of the comics? I tried to, once after my third or so reading through the whole novel, but I couldn't get into it. Are their contributions to the story worth slogging through?
 
Vorticity said:
Hmmm. Good point.

Hey! I've got it!

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I can see him delivering some of those lines, "A Comedian died tonight and nobody cares. Nobody but me." XD
 
Beleth said:
Has anyone ever actually read the text-y parts at the ends of the comics? I tried to, once after my third or so reading through the whole novel, but I couldn't get into it. Are their contributions to the story worth slogging through?
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I loved them. More mastery of meta-fiction. I see these bits as a concession that some kinds of content can actually be more effectively delivered in "classic" literature style rather than illustrated, graphic novel style, and that there's no reason not to make use of it to produce the most satisfying result.
Don't think they are essential for the enjoyment of the book, but it's more good stuff on the characters - why deprive yourself? :)
 
Beleth said:
Has anyone ever actually read the text-y parts at the ends of the comics? I tried to, once after my third or so reading through the whole novel, but I couldn't get into it. Are their contributions to the story worth slogging through?
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You should read them. They flesh things out quite well. As Watchmen is a look at the superhero genre, some of the most pointed notes come from those text sections. From debates on costume design (See: Hollis Mason's reasons for choosing his mask and the fate of Dollar Bill) to the sexualized nature of adventuring. They also flesh some of the characters more.
 
I own 6 copies of the trade paperback, just to borrow/give to people to read (the count used to be higher). If anyone still hasn't read it, but would like to, PM me your mailing address and I'll send one out (provided you'll send it back eventually, I'm runnin' low these days). It's one of those things you just want to give to everyone, it's that good.

Stood in firelight, sweltering. Bloodstain on chest like map of violent new continent. Felt cleansed. Felt dark planet turn under my feet and knew what cats know that makes them scream like babies in the night. Looked at sky through smoke heavy with human fat and God was not there. Cold, suffocating dark goes on forever, and we are alone. Live our lives lacking anything better to do. Devise reason later. Born from oblivion; bear children, Hell-bound as ourselves; go into oblivion. There is nothing else. Existence is random, has no pattern save what we imagine after staring at it for too long. No meaning save what we choose to impose. This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It's us. Only us. Streets stank of fire. The void breathed hard on my heart, turning its illusions to ice, shattering them. Was reborn then, free to scrawl own design on this morally blank world. Was Rorschach.
 
Zach Snyder is supposedly going to reveal his cast for The Watchmen at the San Diego Comic Con while Matthew Goode has already been cast as Ozymandias.
 
Wheezebucket said:
I own 6 copies of the trade paperback, just to borrow/give to people to read (the count used to be higher). If anyone still hasn't read it, but would like to, PM me your mailing address and I'll send one out (provided you'll send it back eventually, I'm runnin' low these days). It's one of those things you just want to give to everyone, it's that good.
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That was the first major graphic novel I lent out. Never got it back. It wasn't until a few years later that I was looking for it and realized that. Had to buy it again.
 
My two favorite chapters were "Watchmaker" and "Fearful Symmetry." Watchmaker was brilliant for the six dozen meanings of the word "Watchmaker"- Dr. Manhattan's father's occupation, God, or Albert Einstein's quote ("If only I had known, I would have become a watchmaker"). It really gets at the heart of what Dr. Manhattan is and represents.

Fearful Symmetry was heavy on the symbolism too- Rorschach's face is symmetrical, the chapter starts with a symmetrical club sign, and, most interestingly, the whole chapter is nearly symmetrical itself. If you look at the first and last pages, and the pages in between them, you'll see they're nearly mirror images. (The middle of the chapter is the scene where Veidt gets attacked).

I just take these two chapters as examples of how every time you read it, you just discover more.
 
Vorticity said:
Terrible, terrible! Much to young!

This gives me the sinking feeling that they're going to cast all young, beautiful people for roles that should be anything but.
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That's the problem with these film makers. They show us a pretty face instead of the superhero :mad:
 
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