Watching Star Wars will send you to Hell...

SW: I hear the Japanese original was better.

ST: Boobies. Boobies are the source of most goodness.
(a coupla feet down from them is the source of the rest....)
 
ponderingturtle said:
What you don't think it accurately captures the facist idiology of the book?:)
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I won't have anyone say anything bad about the director of "Robocop". Starship Troopers was just the Robocop world some years in the future, without the Robocop, and called "Starship Troopers". I tried to read the book when I was young and would read nearly anything that was SF. I drew the line at Starship Troopers and Lensman.
 
Why does the picture of Jesus on the t-shirt, look like he's about to kick someone while they're down?
 
hgc said:
So true. The original 3 had an insouciant spirit, mixed with the classically high-toned villiany of Darth Vader. It is stunning how Ignorant Lucas is of his own creation. What on Earth happened to him in the intevening years?

I love the scene where Vader first appears. Listen to the music here:
http://www.last.fm/music/John+Williams/_/The+Imperial+March+(Darth+Vader's+Theme)

Also, the scene where Luke breaks into Leia's prison cell and they first meet. She says, "You're kind of short for a storm trooper," and he takes of his helment, and with his best chirpy farm boy charm declares, "I'm Luke Skywalker, and I'm here to rescue you!"

Lucas can't touch that kind of spirit any more.
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I love hearing that music. It brings back so many memories. John Williams was a brilliant choice.

As for the spirit, obviously, I couldn't agree more. I love the scene that you mentioned. I think that what made the movies special is what he did with so (relative to now) little. The character moments added so much. The banter between Leia and Han set a tone, and C-3PO and R2 provided so much comic relief. A perfect example of how, with a mixture of sounds, R2 could be so funny: C-3PO & R2

Out of order, but another great exchange: Amusing

Lucas was so wrong when he thought that he could recreate that with a character like Jar Jar and depend so heavily on CGI. I wonder whether he didn't realize this and if that isn't why we saw so much of -3PO and R2 in the third of the newer movies.
 
c4ts said:
This has to be a joke. It has Jesus reaching down to hug the Death Star.
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I thought so too, especially after reading this short blurb advertising their Jesus line of underwear . . .

Is that Jesus in your pants, or are you just happy to Praise the Lord?
$13.99 + shipping
 
Aoidoi said:
The shower scene in Starship Troopers was interesting. A bunch of totally non-sexual nudity. It was frankly the only "sci-fi" concept I thought done remotely well in the movie. In the future, people are only allowed to have kids after becoming citizens, so casual coed nudity (and one supposes casual sex, not that it's mentioned) among non-citizens isn't such a big deal. No kids will result, and one presumes that STDs aren't that big an issue. One could argue it's postponing the issues of puberty until one becomes a citizen, and get into entire sociological debates about what that would mean.
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Please tell me what alternate universe you are in? I can't remember any requirement of citizenship for procreation in either the movie or the book. You couldn't vote, but that isn't the issue either.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Please tell me what alternate universe you are in? I can't remember any requirement of citizenship for procreation in either the movie or the book. You couldn't vote, but that isn't the issue either.
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IIRC the main character's parents in the book weren't citizens, and weren't terribly supportive of him becoming one via military service. While Heinlein had his thing, he wasn't oblivious to potential criticisms or pitfalls and tried to address some of them, to some degree, in the book. But its been a long time since I read it.
 
Katana said:
As for the spirit, obviously, I couldn't agree more. I love the scene that you mentioned. I think that what made the movies special is what he did with so (relative to now) little. The character moments added so much. The banter between Leia and Han set a tone, and C-3PO and R2 provided so much comic relief. A perfect example of how, with a mixture of sounds, R2 could be so funny: C-3PO & R2

Out of order, but another great exchange: Amusing
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Even when Lucas had real actors in the new movies, the exchanges just weren't quite right. Han and Leia make a much more convincing couple than Anakin and Padme. The original trilogy seemed to understand that a couple can trade barbs and still show how much they care, whereas in the newer trilogy, it seemed as though the dialogue was meant to say, "See how in love we are? Get it? We're in love and sappy! In case you forgot, we're in love right now! See?"
 
Zombified said:
IIRC the main character's parents in the book weren't citizens, and weren't terribly supportive of him becoming one via military service. While Heinlein had his thing, he wasn't oblivious to potential criticisms or pitfalls and tried to address some of them, to some degree, in the book. But its been a long time since I read it.
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And at least I have heard others argue that he was not suggesting it as a utopian society like some people try to push it into. How much he supported the whole political structure is unclear
 
Forty-Two said:
Even when Lucas had real actors in the new movies, the exchanges just weren't quite right. Han and Leia make a much more convincing couple than Anakin and Padme. The original trilogy seemed to understand that a couple can trade barbs and still show how much they care, whereas in the newer trilogy, it seemed as though the dialogue was meant to say, "See how in love we are? Get it? We're in love and sappy! In case you forgot, we're in love right now! See?"
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In Episode 2, when Anakin is whining like a 15 year old that wants to get laid, and says to her, "my heart is bleeding," I yelled out (in the Ziegfeld Theatre), "my ears are bleeding!" That the Anakin/Padme love story was deadly serious was another way Lucas has no concept.

As for the CGI, just compare the puppet Yoda to the CGI Yoda. There's no comparison as to who's the better character. The scale model hardware, from ships to scooters, look a lot more corporeal than the CGI stuff too.
 
Forty-Two said:
Even when Lucas had real actors in the new movies, the exchanges just weren't quite right. Han and Leia make a much more convincing couple than Anakin and Padme. The original trilogy seemed to understand that a couple can trade barbs and still show how much they care, whereas in the newer trilogy, it seemed as though the dialogue was meant to say, "See how in love we are? Get it? We're in love and sappy! In case you forgot, we're in love right now! See?"
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Too true.

hgc said:
In Episode 2, when Anakin is whining like a 15 year old that wants to get laid, and says to her, "my heart is bleeding," I yelled out (in the Ziegfeld Theatre), "my ears are bleeding!" That the Anakin/Padme love story was deadly serious was another way Lucas has no concept.

As for the CGI, just compare the puppet Yoda to the CGI Yoda. There's no comparison as to who's the better character. The scale model hardware, from ships to scooters, look a lot more corporeal than the CGI stuff too.
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Agreed.
 
headscratcher4 said:
Watching Star Wars will send you to Hell
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No, watching Star Trek will send you to hell

http://www.nisbett.com/symbols/peace_sign.htm

Another hand signal is the Vulcan peace sign. It is supposed to mean "Live Long and Prosper," and can be seen in Star Trek.

Vulcan was a sun deity who was associated with fire, thunderbolts, and light. The festival in honour of him was called the Vulcania in which human sacrifices were offered. "According to Diel, he bears a family relationship to the Christian devil.' It is fascinating to know that he married Venus, another name for Lucifer or the devil. What is even more interesting is that Vulcan is adored in Masonry under the name of Tubal Cain.
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Forty-Two said:
Even when Lucas had real actors in the new movies, the exchanges just weren't quite right. Han and Leia make a much more convincing couple than Anakin and Padme. The original trilogy seemed to understand that a couple can trade barbs and still show how much they care, whereas in the newer trilogy, it seemed as though the dialogue was meant to say, "See how in love we are? Get it? We're in love and sappy! In case you forgot, we're in love right now! See?"
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Sign of the times. Welcome to the new, warmer and fuzzier era.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Please tell me what alternate universe you are in? I can't remember any requirement of citizenship for procreation in either the movie or the book. You couldn't vote, but that isn't the issue either.
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We are each in our own little world. But I seem to recall one of the women in the shower discussing that after she became a citizen she was going to have kids. I remember the implication being that you weren't able to have kids unless you were a citizen. I haven't seen the movie in a half dozen years and may be misremembering (couldn't find the quote in imdb and am certainly not gonna watch the movie again to find out). If so, guess the movie has no redeeming value for me. ;)

Haven't read the book, so didn't really get it if the point was to argue against Heinlein's vision. Seemed like generally eeeevil for no point eeevilness to me. The movie just seemed to me to be a bad action movie with generic evil government movie stuck on top. If they actually showed that the government had nuked a city to create a war to distract the people from the eeevil government, well, that's a plot. But when you're making up your own subplots to make the movie interesting then the filmmakers have missed something.

Also have to admit that I can't really recall a single main character. There was a woman pilot and the guy who's parents died, but never really differentiated the guy from the other infantry, and never had any reason to care about her. Given that their character arcs sort of... stopped

Random question, was it Earth that got hit by that asteroid? I thought it was a colony on some other planet named after the city that got it, but again, certainly could be misremembering. As for launching an asteroid interstellar distances... weren't the bugs on multiple planets? Or are we to assume that was more propaganda? They had defences against ships in planetary orbit (not that the eeevil government told the fleet, assuming they even knew), and telepathic bugs. Somehow arguing that we should assume the movie wants us to know that the attack was staged because of the physics of it don't add up doesn't really work for me. Maybe the bugs have a giant asteroid firing space dwelling bug. It's only slightly less plausible than hundreds of enormous fusion powered rear firing plasma bugs or, for that matter, enormous bugs with exoskeletons.

I mean, sure, you can just assume everything the government says is lies to cover up something, but then what's the point of the movie? That an evil near omnipotent yet oddly inept government is does bad stuff, badly? Color me confused.

Though as an allegory for the old testament god maybe there's some merit... ;)

ETA: wow, the whole first page of comments in imdb are overwhelmingly positive. Interesting.
 
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hgc said:
In Episode 2, when Anakin is whining like a 15 year old that wants to get laid, and says to her, "my heart is bleeding," I yelled out (in the Ziegfeld Theatre), "my ears are bleeding!" That the Anakin/Padme love story was deadly serious was another way Lucas has no concept.
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I went to see Blimp: The Hindenburg Story and right in the middle, the ship blows up- burning debris, bodies falling- and then just as this eerie silence settles over the airfield, I yelled out, "That's gotta hurt!" The place went nuts.
 
Aoidoi said:
We are each in our own little world. But I seem to recall one of the women in the shower discussing that after she became a citizen she was going to have kids. I remember the implication being that you weren't able to have kids unless you were a citizen. I haven't seen the movie in a half dozen years and may be misremembering (couldn't find the quote in imdb and am certainly not gonna watch the movie again to find out). If so, guess the movie has no redeeming value for me. ;)
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I believe she said it was easier if you were a citizen.

Aoidoi said:
Random question, was it Earth that got hit by that asteroid? I thought it was a colony on some other planet named after the city that got it, but again, certainly could be misremembering.
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The asteroid hit Buenos Aires, where our heroes were from.
 
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