Washing produce

On reflection i do wash soil off Spuds...Leeks! Evil things, Never eat them.

Leeks do take a bit more work just because of the amount of soil you're likely to get. Cut it so you can separate the leaves, then soak in enough water to get the dirt out.

I've always wanted to try A.B.'s leek rings (instead of onion rings), but deep frying is a lot of work and cleanup. Haven't bothered yet.
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/leek-rings-recipe/index.html
 
I autoclave all my fruits and veggies. ;)

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OK, seriously, all I've ever done is a quick wash under the tap myself. As far as I know, there's been no correlation between my being sick and my not taking any measures further than that with produce.

As I mentioned there's really no way you can correlate a single incident of getting ill from unwashed produce ... the incubation period is variable up to 2 weeks ... you'd have to get tested specifically to see if you had a convention illness or the flu or something else.

That's what they do when there's an ecoli outbreak for example ... EVERYONE who comes in with some symptoms .. they test them.

That's why food washing and proper cooking procedures are recommended .. the cost is almost nil, and the benefits are proven
 
When people get sick from food, it's because of identifiable microbes. I've never heard of a single instance where someone ate a fruit or vegetable and was poisoned by insecticide or fungicide residue.

So what's an effective, practical way to lose the harmful microbes? Under the faucet cold rinse? Hot? With soap?
 
One poplar recommended way to wash it up is to use a large clean bowl, and mix in some vinegar with cold water, let it soak 5 to ten minutes .. scrub off obvious dirt and rince it all off under the cold water tap.

Other experts say running them under cold water and scrubbing off obvious dirt is good enough .. everyone agrees keeping the veggies COLD, helps keep bacteria at bay.
 
I autoclave all my fruits and veggies. ;)

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Ok, seriously, all I've ever done is a quick wash under the tap myself. As far as I know, there's been no correlation between my being sick and my not taking any measures further than that with produce.

Yes, but the autoclave is hard on the lettuce.
 
The residue is naturally occurring yeasts. Grapes have it, Plums have heavy layers. You can make natural wine by just crushing the fruit, no yeast added. But you do run the chance of also getting an acetobactor, which will turn the alcohol you want into vinegar. Since I have no need for a 10 gallon batch of plum vinegar, I add potassium metabisulphite to kill off all of the natural stuff, and replace with champagne yeast. She's a-bubbling still, so it is working.

Yes many fruits including grapes, apples plums support a wide range of wild fungi including wild yeasts, but you are confusing the broad category of yeasts with the rather narrow group of fungi than can be used for alcoholic fermentation (Saccharomyces cerevisiae, S. bayanus, B. dekkera, and a few rare others). Yes there are a few lucky places, parts of Rhone for example, where natural fermentation can produce a palatable product, but it's not common. Wild yeasts may not produce ethanol as their primary end-product, and many can introduce obnoxious flavors and aromas. For a lot of reasons I won't go into here, wild members of common wine/ale/bread yeasts, S.cerevisiae, tend to dominate (they are potent competitors for simple sugar solutions), but wild yeasts can themselves produce obnoxious off-flavors. There aren't many organisms that can tolerate the low pH, and oxygen-free environment that S.cerevisiae produce. A few surface fungi (where O2 is available) can survive, some Brettanomyces and then we have to switch from eukaryote fungi to prokaryote bacteria.

Some bacteria can live at the low pH and metabolize some of he simple organic acids from fruit. Famously Leuconostoc oenos converts malic acid to lactic acid in malo-lactic fermentation commonly used in red wines. Lactobaccili and lactococcus may survive. Acetic acid bacteria, mentioned, are probably the wort case scenario for a wine maker. That can tolerate the low pH and metabolize ethanol into CO2 and acetic acid. They require free oxygen to metabolize EtOH so they can only proceed where some oxygen is introduced.

Metabisulfite salts release free SO2- ions into the beverage, while commercial winemakers may add SO2 from tanks. Common wine yeasts also can release small amounts of SO2- ions. The SO2- ions are a strong anti-oxidant and also, at concentration, an antiseptic

So what's an effective, practical way to lose the harmful microbes? Under the faucet cold rinse? Hot? With soap?

When processing apples for cider it is recommended that the wash water must be warmer than the fruit to prevent the gas in the fruit from contracting and sucking bacteria into the inaccessible interior. That's probably a good idea generally.

The biggest culprit on fresh foods is perhaps E.coli O157:H7. Escherichia coli is a common mammalian gut bacteria, with a few dangerous and potentially lethal serotypes. Vectors might include poor meat processing methods, cattleyard run-off and the deer and the antelope (or even goats, rabbits, horses) playing in the garden or orchard.

So pasteurizing milk, cooking ground meat appropriately, using proper kitchen sanitation are the basics. Yes washing fresh produce.


The "Fit Produce wash " product mentioned on this forum has an MSDS sheet here:
http://www.tryfit.com/downloads/MSDS Liquid Fit Institutional.pdf showing the product contains
WATER 7732-18-5
CITRIC ACID 77-92-9
ETHANOL 64-17-5
GRAPEFRUIT OIL TERPENES 68917-32-8
SODIUM LAURYL SULFATE 151-21-3

The red-flare items are grapefruit terpenes and sodium lauryl sulfate.

Grapefruit oil terpenes are used as an aroma agent, isn't water soluble (but is soluble in ethanol and oils). There is evidence this can be a skin irritant perhaps a stomach irritant. At the levels present it's undoubtedly a "don't care" for all but one in a million. You probably get as much handling grapefruit.

Sodium lauryl sulfate (aka sodium dodecyl sulfate) is a anionic detergent created from esterified products of lauric acid - a mid-chain length saturated fatty acid.
http://www.nicnas.gov.au/publicatio..._chemical_information_sheets/ecis_sls_pdf.pdf
Short and mid-chain fatty acids aren't any more innocuous than drinking kerosene - they act as detergents capable of rupturing the lipid bi-layer of cells - general cell killers. OTOH this property is greatly reduced as the Carbon chain length increases and after esterification.

Despite this the sodium lauryl sulfate has anti-microbial properties and possibly anti-viral properties. It's used in toothpastes, antiseptic handwash, laxative enemas. It has an LD-50 about 1000mg/kg for some rodents, but appears innocuous and non-carcinogenic at 100mg/kg. It may cause oral ulcers.

In all - and at the concentrations present - there isn't very more troubling that brushing your teeth or handling a gratefruit; which isn't to say "zero risk".

I have serious doubts that an agent like "Fit" can be effective at killing microbes on produce given the concentrations - but I'd be willing to read any studies. Still a mild antimicrobal detergent to wash off debris is a good idea. At any concentration that might be effective as a microbicide, I'd want to make sure I rinsed the Fit product off produce very well.
 
Kitchen sinks are badly contaminated.

Uhhhh... I don't know how your judgement process works, but:

If your sink is clean enough for your fork, isn't it clean enough for your food?

This reminds me of the mother, a nurse, sterilizing Juniors cup, when she looks out the kitchen window to see Junior licking a dog doo lollipop. At some point, your viewpoint need to shift.

Anybody here reading the ongoing "Fecal Transplant" thread? Or are these two threads mutually exclusive?
 
Stevea, one thing you didn't mention, Sodium lauryl sulfate is ubiquitous in house hold cleaning agents. Hand soap, dish soap, shampoo, etc. Basically, you rub it allover your body already, whether you buy veggie wash or not. And I doubt that any of the veggie washes do anything that dish soap doesn't do.

And, while on the exposure to common germs in food, try readin up on Lambic beers.

Ever make sour dough starter? By boiling whole potatoes, skin on? There is enough viable 'germs' left in the boiled water to start a bread dough rising. Or make a sour mash beer? Keep the malt warm and moist for three days, allow the natural germs to turn some of the malt in to lactic acid.

So the problem with natural germs in fermented foods is one of control- I'll risk a few gallons of my homebrew, a commercial fermenter doesn't want to risk a thousand barrels. $$$$$

Seems there are so many naturally occurring germs in so many products, we just can't kill them all. And there seems to be more studies every year showing the advantages of exposure.

Yet we get things like the recent egg recall, where the salmonella sickened 2,000 people, from 800,000,000 eggs. That is a one in 400,000 chance of a bad egg making somebody sick. That sounds like a very safe food source to me. 1:400,000.

Hmmm, should I separate the yolks first, before soaking in bleach water? Or just add ammonia to my scrambled eggs? 1:400,000...
 

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