Was Hitler a coward?

What, in every single country throughout Europe? Don't think that the two are directly comparable, really.

Well, from 1812 to 1814 it ran from Moscow through Germany to Portugal. Napoleons forces were drawn from most of the countries inbetween initially, so yes, I'd say most of Europe. German casualties were very high in the War of Liberation (1813). It was the first real national war(s). Indeed Napoleonic thinking can be blamed for much of the tactical thinking in the opening stages of WW1.

I still find it interesting the rash of genocides you saw all throughout Europe, though. It wasn't just Russia and Germany, but also the Armenian Genocide, and various others.

The Armenian genocide began in 1915, so I wouldn't class that, frankly. it really owes more to long standing enmities being given a chance, due to the war, to be vented.

That's a good point, really.

Cheers, it only occurred to me when I got right to the end of that post.
 
Sorry to chime in so late - I'm new here too.
I take issue with Zenskeptical's comments on the first page:
Germany was already destroyed post-WWI, he helped make it a superpower in a little time period.
Germany wasn't destroyed at all after WWI - its industrial capacity was still fully intact. Neither was it wrecked by the reparation payments - just compare the payments Germany did to the Allies with those France had to pay to Germany after 1870/71, and did pay within four years. The fuss about the reparations had more to do with the political unwillingness, the atmosphere having been poisoned with the Dolchstoss legend.

The 1923 hyperinflation was purely and deliberately self-inflicted; contemporary economists have argued that it wasn't necessary. The 1929 crisis hit Germany harder just because Americans had invested so much in Germany. The only compliment you can pay Hitler in this respect is in appointing Schacht as Minister of Economy, as Hitler himself didn't care much for economic affairs.

As a political power, Germany already had been rehabilitated before Hitler came to power. All he did was get it on a collision course with the other powers.

Also, to the person saying he was weak minded...he had more willpower than you will ever have, he not only led an entire country out of a gigantic depression, but also gave the world a run for its money.

And had some 50 million people killed in the process. That's only impressive in a twisted kind of way.
 
ddt said:
And had some 50 million people killed in the process. That's only impressive in a twisted kind of way.
It was the perception at the time. Yes, 50 million people died in the process (??? Wait, 50 million? 11 million in the genocide... 39 million in wartime? That seems a little high?), but that made him little different from many of the leaders that existed at the time. Very few cultures are innocent of genocide, even the U.S. (Native Americans, anyone?)

I'm not trying to lessen what Hitler did, I'm just saying that just because he committed terrible acts, does not make him weak willed nor everything else he did a complete failure.
 
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Uhm, well, that depends very much on your personal view of suicide. I think suicide does indeed require courage -- for instance, I couldn't do it.
But of Hitler, I think you can equally argue it is cowardly that he wouldn't justify his actions for an international tribunal, or in general, for his enemies.

Also, in the context of Hitler the idea of "resigning" and "letting someone else lead the party" is, uhm, ludicrous. I think he knew long before that he would go down together with his Reich, and so it came to be.
"Letting someone else rule" was also fundamentally antithetical to the way the Nazi state was set up: there were so many organizations - government, police, party, SS, etc. - with partially overlapping responsibilities that no-one could accrue enough power to pose a threat to its leader. Divide and conquer.

The suicide was absolutely in character, and also something he demanded from his subordinates. Hitler was in rage when he received the news that Friedrich Paulus, commander of the 6th army at Stalingrad, hadn't committed suicide.
I had the impression that his rage over Paulus' capitulation had more to do with him capitulating - i.e., that Hitler had rather seen that Paulus had died fighting with his men to the last, in Goetterdaemmerung style, not that he wanted him to commit suicide.
 
He was deluded and he likely was convinced until very near the end that victory was still possible. If we accept that he was convinced of the possibility of turning things around even through April 1945 (a premise to which I tend to adhere - that is that Hitler thought there was still a chance) his reluctance to surrender is understandable - one does not generally surrender when there is hope of victory.
He clung to the "Miracle of the House of Brandenburg" - in which Frederick the Great was saved from defeat by discord amongst its enemies, after the death of the czarina. He thought the same would happen after Roosevelt's death, and that the Western Allies would fight with the Soviet Union and spare Germany (or even employ her as ally).

If there were cowards in the bunker, and IMO there were more than a few, they were the men in the inner circle who knew the reality of the situation and took no action to stop the destruction.
IIRC, there were some who didn't carry out his orders. But trying to persuade Hitler to capitulate would have been a mission impossible at that stage, I think.
 
But of Hitler, I think you can equally argue it is cowardly that he wouldn't justify his actions for an international tribunal, or in general, for his enemies.
He wasn't going to be taken by a tribunal, though, he was going to be taken by the Russians.

That's... a different case. The Russians were not quite known for playing nice.
 
Nancy-boy Hitler: the Worst kind of Coward

Read "Mein Kampf." Hitler, like so many Roman Catholic altarboys and future mass-murderers, was obviously molested by priests. He lacked the courage to confront the false "lessons" received at their hands, or in their catechism - which taught him, as a reading primer, of the "noble Roman soldiers," "who slaughtered one million and one hundred thousand Jews, in AD 70 Jerusalem," "as proof of the Divine Judgment against those who murdered Our God."

He lacked the courage to overcome their abuse and become a healthy complete man: righteous husband and father. Instead he surrounded himself with other militant, violent homosexuals - the SA, and ingratiated himself to Rome's Black Aristocracy and the Vatican's "Urbis et Orbis" lie for world ownership...now moving apace through the offices and treason of their American Fifth Column and the homosexual draft-dodger cheated into the WH by the unconstitutional votes of only the Roman Catholics on the Supreme Court's "Bush v. Gore."

Hitler, sharing the same psychopath, closeted spirit as Bush, was a coward of the worst sort...acquiring power by fronting for the gross worldly evil identified by America's Founder as "The Anti-Christ."

All Germans and descendants of those who were misled by Hitler and the Nazis, in Roman Europe, must read "A Moral Reckoning," by Daniel Goldhagen, to find freedom from any vestige of retained guilt for the evil perpetrated by "two popes and the Roman Catholic Church." Ireland is freeing itself from Rome...so must we all. America's Whig Founders were correct: Rome is the Anti-Christ. Hitler and the Nazis, like Nixon, Bush and the CIA at Dealey Plaza, and Bush Jr. now, merely catspaws.
 
Read "Mein Kampf." Hitler, like so many Roman Catholic altarboys and future mass-murderers, was obviously molested by priests. He lacked the courage to confront the false "lessons" received at their hands, or in their catechism - which taught him, as a reading primer, of the "noble Roman soldiers," "who slaughtered one million and one hundred thousand Jews, in AD 70 Jerusalem," "as proof of the Divine Judgment against those who murdered Our God."

He lacked the courage to overcome their abuse and become a healthy complete man: righteous husband and father. Instead he surrounded himself with other militant, violent homosexuals - the SA, and ingratiated himself to Rome's Black Aristocracy and the Vatican's "Urbis et Orbis" lie for world ownership...now moving apace through the offices and treason of their American Fifth Column and the homosexual draft-dodger cheated into the WH by the unconstitutional votes of only the Roman Catholics on the Supreme Court's "Bush v. Gore."

Hitler, sharing the same psychopath, closeted spirit as Bush, was a coward of the worst sort...acquiring power by fronting for the gross worldly evil identified by America's Founder as "The Anti-Christ."

All Germans and descendants of those who were misled by Hitler and the Nazis, in Roman Europe, must read "A Moral Reckoning," by Daniel Goldhagen, to find freedom from any vestige of retained guilt for the evil perpetrated by "two popes and the Roman Catholic Church." Ireland is freeing itself from Rome...so must we all. America's Whig Founders were correct: Rome is the Anti-Christ. Hitler and the Nazis, like Nixon, Bush and the CIA at Dealey Plaza, and Bush Jr. now, merely catspaws.

lol
keep posting, I can do with the laughs
 
iAmerica said:
He lacked the courage to overcome their abuse and become a healthy complete man: righteous husband and father. Instead he surrounded himself with other militant, violent homosexuals

????

acquiring power by fronting for the gross worldly evil identified by America's Founder as "The Anti-Christ."

????!!

America's Whig Founders were correct: Rome is the Anti-Christ. Hitler and the Nazis, like Nixon, Bush and the CIA at Dealey Plaza, and Bush Jr. now, merely catspaws.
!!!!

Wow.
 
I think one could argue that Hitler was indeed a hero. He fought for what he believed and fought against the odds.

I think one could argue that peach schnapps was margarine, but the result of an experiment to test the hypothesis might be revealing.
 
I think he's referring to Röhm and Co., who were indeed homosexual.

Doesn't change the fact that mentioning that seems about as loaded as me calling them militant, violent Christians.

Were they violent because they were homosexuals or because they were "fighting for homosexuality"?
 
He received the iron cross twice during world war one, I wouldn't call him a coward in the conventional sense. The real question is, what is the point of this thread? :rolleyes:
 
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He received the iron cross twice during world war one, I wouldn't call him a coward in the conventional sense. The real question is, what is the point of this thread? :rolleyes:

Well, if I were to start a thread like this, most likely it would have been just to spark discussion and get people thinking more than anything. Maybe learn a thing or two. Just out of curiosity and because strange and crazy questions hit me from time to time.

Not everything has an evil ulterior motive.

Then again, MagZ is MagZ, soooooo...
 
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Well, if I were to start a thread like this, most likely it would have been just to spark discussion and get people thinking more than anything. Maybe learn a thing or two. Just out of curiosity and because strange and crazy questions hit me from time to time.

Not everything has an evil ulterior motive.

Then again, MagZ is MagZ, soooooo...

So many lies have been told about Hitler and so many people feel free to tell these lies, I just thought a thread like this would lead to some critical thinking.
 
Read "Mein Kampf." Hitler, like so many Roman Catholic altarboys and future mass-murderers, was obviously molested by priests. He lacked the courage to confront the false "lessons" received at their hands, or in their catechism - which taught him, as a reading primer, of the "noble Roman soldiers," "who slaughtered one million and one hundred thousand Jews, in AD 70 Jerusalem," "as proof of the Divine Judgment against those who murdered Our God."

He lacked the courage to overcome their abuse and become a healthy complete man: righteous husband and father. Instead he surrounded himself with other militant, violent homosexuals - the SA, and ingratiated himself to Rome's Black Aristocracy and the Vatican's "Urbis et Orbis" lie for world ownership...now moving apace through the offices and treason of their American Fifth Column and the homosexual draft-dodger cheated into the WH by the unconstitutional votes of only the Roman Catholics on the Supreme Court's "Bush v. Gore."

Hitler, sharing the same psychopath, closeted spirit as Bush, was a coward of the worst sort...acquiring power by fronting for the gross worldly evil identified by America's Founder as "The Anti-Christ."

All Germans and descendants of those who were misled by Hitler and the Nazis, in Roman Europe, must read "A Moral Reckoning," by Daniel Goldhagen, to find freedom from any vestige of retained guilt for the evil perpetrated by "two popes and the Roman Catholic Church." Ireland is freeing itself from Rome...so must we all. America's Whig Founders were correct: Rome is the Anti-Christ. Hitler and the Nazis, like Nixon, Bush and the CIA at Dealey Plaza, and Bush Jr. now, merely catspaws.

:dl:

Good One.




Wait, you were joking, right?
 

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