Was Hitler a coward?

OK. Then I really don't understand what all the bickering was about.
 
Beats me as well. All I did was ask for a definition of cowardice and all hell broke loose. LOL

In any case that's water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned. : )
 
If you want cowardly actions I'd consider the reaction of some of the Nazi leaders to seeing their orders carried out. As far as I know, Hitler never had the strength to ever see a concentration camp or the direct results of what he ordered like that, but others did and generally did not deal well with it. Heinrich Himmler is a good example. He fainted at the site of captured citizens being gunned down. He then went back to his office and would continue to order such atrocities.

That to me is the definition of cowardess. To order that such things would happen and not even be able to see it or deal with it in person. To cower and faint at the site of those you ordered executed gunned down and then to leave and continue to do it, as long as you don't have to deal with the ugly reality.
 
Dr. Buzzo, would that also apply to such things as the use of the nuclear bombs against the Japanese in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Do you think that the men that ordered such a thing could stomach the view of people with severe radiation burns dying slowly and painfully?
 
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Regarding the original post, you can quote actual events from Hitler's life in both directions as to his personal bravery (or lack). He apparently did earn his Iron Cross. However, I'm going to put him in the coward list. I'll cite one example.

From William Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, Fawcett Crest (New York, 1950) (1992 printing), p. 113, in his description of the end of the Beer Hall Putsch:
The future Chancellor of the Third Reich was the first to scamper to safety. ... But the fact remains that according to the testimony of one of his own Nazi followers in the column, the physician Dr. Walther Schulz, which was support by several other witnesses, Hitler "was the first to get up and turn back," leaving his dead and wounded comrades lying in the street.
 
Andronicus said:
Regarding the original post, you can quote actual events from Hitler's life in both directions as to his personal bravery (or lack). He apparently did earn his Iron Cross. However, I'm going to put him in the coward list. I'll cite one example.

From William Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, Fawcett Crest (New York, 1950) (1992 printing), p. 113, in his description of the end of the Beer Hall Putsch:
The future Chancellor of the Third Reich was the first to scamper to safety. ... But the fact remains that according to the testimony of one of his own Nazi followers in the column, the physician Dr. Walther Schulz, which was support by several other witnesses, Hitler "was the first to get up and turn back," leaving his dead and wounded comrades lying in the street.
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The whole Hitler-episode was based on blaming others. And Lemmings
swallowed everything he said - which is comparable to some degree
to todays "official arguments".

But nevertheless - Hitlers agenda was based on blaming others instead
uniting people by pointing out own flaws.

That is cowardly to me. And no, it doesn't mean that sending troops
into wars is in any way heroic, sitting in a safe location. (read my sig)
 
Lonewulf said:
Dr. Buzzo, would that also apply to such things as the use of the nuclear bombs against the Japanese in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Do you think that the men that ordered such a thing could stomach the view of people with severe radiation burns dying slowly and painfully?
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Robert Oppenheimer had this view. The Jews working on the US bomb couldn’t wait untilled they could drop it on German civilians. However, the war ended in Europe first and the Jewish scientists began to have remorse for those Japanese who were killed.
 
Andronicus said:
Regarding the original post, you can quote actual events from Hitler's life in both directions as to his personal bravery (or lack). He apparently did earn his Iron Cross. However, I'm going to put him in the coward list. I'll cite one example.

From William Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, Fawcett Crest (New York, 1950) (1992 printing), p. 113, in his description of the end of the Beer Hall Putsch:
The future Chancellor of the Third Reich was the first to scamper to safety. ... But the fact remains that according to the testimony of one of his own Nazi followers in the column, the physician Dr. Walther Schulz, which was support by several other witnesses, Hitler "was the first to get up and turn back," leaving his dead and wounded comrades lying in the street.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]William Shirer is not a reputable historian. He bought into the Jewish Soap lie. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/soap.shtml[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Over the years, numerous supposedly reputable historians have promoted the durable soap story. [20] Journalist-historian William L. Shirer, for example, repeated it in his best-selling work, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. [21][/FONT]
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I must admit it was a little unfair to add Oliver to my ignore list without adding MaGZ first. Fixed now.
 
MaGZ said:
I guess if the IHR found the Jewish Soap story to be true then you would accept the organization as being reliable.
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Then you guess wrong. I believe I'm right in saying the soap story is not true, and nor is the one about turning skin into lampshades. However, if I wanted to make this point on a forum, I'd find a better source than a discredited organisation dedicated to holocaust denial.
 
Ian Osborne said:
Then you guess wrong. I believe I'm right in saying the soap story is not true, and nor is the one about turning skin into lampshades. However, if I wanted to make this point on a forum, I'd find a better source than a discredited organisation dedicated to holocaust denial.
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Well I am pleased you are not so gullible as to believe all of the Holocaust myth. I think the IHR is a fine organization. If it were not for them then the soap, lampshade, and mobile killing machines tales would get a free ride. If you wish to discuss this further I will start a new thread.
 
MaGZ said:
If it were not for [the IHR] then the soap, lampshade, and mobile killing machines tales would get a free ride.
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If by 'mobile killing machines' you mean the minibuses converted into gas chambers by feeding the exhaust into the passenger area, you're denying a fact there.
 
MaGZ said:
Robert Oppenheimer had this view. The Jews working on the US bomb couldn’t wait untilled they could drop it on German civilians. However, the war ended in Europe first and the Jewish scientists began to have remorse for those Japanese who were killed.
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Irony, for those real dumb idiot NAZIs who banned the Jews from holding positions in Universities, forcing many to leave since they knew a country run by bigoted idiots would be ruined and they would be beat up and persecuted. Ironic, bigoted NAZIs screwed themselves by trying to kill all Jews. Go to show only idiots believe in NAZI ideals of stupidity and bigotry. A super dumb race (just idiot political stupid people group, no know race of people is as dumb as NAZIs are) of people are now embodied as neoNAZIs.

Yes MaGZ, the point you bring up is kind of ironic and stupid all rolled into the NAZI style of dirt dumb junk. You are a credit to all neoNAZIs, proving how great the movement is buried in ignorance and hate; super irony.

Just look at what Japan let it soldiers do in China, like impaled babies on bayonets, or even the Bataan Death March, and the remorse is gone.
 
beachnut said:
Irony, for those real dumb idiot NAZIs who banned the Jews from holding positions in Universities, forcing many to leave since they knew a country run by bigoted idiots would be ruined and they would be beat up and persecuted. Ironic, bigoted NAZIs screwed themselves by trying to kill all Jews. Go to show only idiots believe in NAZI ideals of stupidity and bigotry. A super dumb race (just idiot political stupid people group, no know race of people is as dumb as NAZIs are) of people are now embodied as neoNAZIs.

Yes MaGZ, the point you bring up is kind of ironic and stupid all rolled into the NAZI style of dirt dumb junk. You are a credit to all neoNAZIs, proving how great the movement is buried in ignorance and hate; super irony.

Just look at what Japan let it soldiers do in China, like impaled babies on bayonets, or even the Bataan Death March, and the remorse is gone.
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"Impaled babies on bayonets," I thought those were the Germans soldiers who did that to the Belgian babies in World War One.

You are a very confused individual.

btw I don’t believe this WW I story either.
 
Hmm....slaughtering milliions of unarmed civilians, POWS, and countless others. Then commiting suicide before your enemy can capture you and put you on trial for your crimes. That seems pretty cowardly to me.
 
parky76 said:
Hmm....slaughtering milliions of unarmed civilians, POWS, and countless others. Then commiting suicide before your enemy can capture you and put you on trial for your crimes. That seems pretty cowardly to me.
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So wait, was it Hitler's slaughter of people that was cowardly, or was it his comitting suicide that reflected cowardice? I'm a little unclear. By this definition, there is a long list of "cowards" from almost any era who could fit the definition: Marcus Antonius, Oda Nobunaga, Boudica, Diurpaneus, and Tewodros II, to name a few.
 
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