Was Helen Thomas being disrespectful?

Out of bounds? No. If a president doesn't want to take questions, he shouldn't have press conferences. And if he doesn't want to take tough, even unfairly loaded questions, he shouldn't call on reporters he knows are utterly hostile to him.

Indeed. It was the first time in three years that he called on Helen Thomas. My guess is that we'll have to wait a while for the next time. For the longest serving member of the Whitehouse press corps, why would that be?
 
Maybe the emphasis or timing was different when you hear it spoken, but to read it, it sounds like no distinction is made between Iraq and the Taliban.
I just saw a clip. Wow. That response was not off the cuff. He had that one prepped.
 
I just saw a clip. Wow. That response was not off the cuff. He had that one prepped.


You would expect less? Im pretty sure they prepare answers for most predictable questions. Thomas' question was worded to throw him off, but the general theme was predictable.
 
I expected more, I think. Probably naive of me. :(

Off the cuff at the president level is another way of saying unprepared. Anyone playing the game at the Pres level is going to have a cheatlist of answers for predictable questions. There is nothing to be dissappointed about.
 
Off the cuff at the president level is another way of saying unprepared. Anyone playing the game at the Pres level is going to have a cheatlist of answers for predictable questions. There is nothing to be dissappointed about.
I would refer to "off the cuff" as unscripted, not unprepared.
 
Well, in this day and age "disrespectful" means that you dare to challenge lies, apparently.

The pogrom run by the conservative flacks has a stunning similarity to columns and writings seen at other times in history.

Unfortunately US education in history is so lacking that people don't seem to understand what that is.
 
Actually what does it matter if she was "disrespectful" or not? A journalist's job is not to be respectful but to find out information, to reveal information, to investigate, to ask questions they think need answering.

Exactly.
 
You would expect less? Im pretty sure they prepare answers for most predictable questions. Thomas' question was worded to throw him off, but the general theme was predictable.
I'd be bloody surprised if they didn't prepare. I know we do this side of the pond.
It's usually very easy thinking up what questions will be asked, especially the hard ones. Thinking up the answers is usually the hard part.
 
Heh.

"I refer the member to the answer the Minister gave earlier on that subject."

"Arrrr. Harrumph, harrumph."

yeah, try that one in committee!
The floor of the house is just for grandstanding, all the rely tough questions are asked in the select and standing committees, which can be just as vicious, and they have the power to order witnesses before them, why do you think hat George Galloway looked so comfortable before congress? He thought they where being soft on him.
 
On an almost entirely unrelated point, my jaw always tightens a bit whenever I hear (or read) Mr. Bush say "September the 11th" with that "the" in there. Don't know why it bothers me so, but gosh, I feel a bit better venting!
 
On an almost entirely unrelated point, my jaw always tightens a bit whenever I hear (or read) Mr. Bush say "September the 11th" with that "the" in there. Don't know why it bothers me so, but gosh, I feel a bit better venting!

We all know that it is "the 11th of September" anyway.
 
Actually, she never had that honor during the Bush presidency, having resigned her wire service job in 2000 when UPI was purchased by affiliates of Rev. Moon. Her new status among the White House press pool accurately reflects her change from a partisan wire service reporter whose stories were carried daily by hundreds of newspapers to an even more highly partisan opinion columnist with very limited circulation. Indeed, it is only as a recognition of tradition that she gets press pool status at all (along with a few other old-time whackos like Les Kinsolving).

So previous recent experience as a male escort (Jeff Gannon) carries more status than recognition of tradition??

edit to add: Please ignore any parts already covered by Daredelvis post #40.
 
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The buzz on the conservative radio talk shows is that Thomas was being disrespectful. Well, here is a sampling from MediaMatters.org.

Was she being disrespectful?

Yes, she was disrespectful, but that's her job. She asked a tough question that many citizens would have like to ask in her place, which makes her a good journalist.
 
Just listen to his answer. What was the real reason to attack Iraq? Terrorists, Taliban, Afghanastan, 9/11. And "I thought Iraq was a threat." Which had nothing to do with 9/11 terrorists, the Taliban, or Afghanastan, but it was important to mention it anyway.
I think if you look at what he said, and take into account that not all of what he is thinking makes its way out of his mouth, I think that his answer can more accurately be characterized by this:
You know, people are constantly calling me a warmonger, pointing to the fact that I ordered the invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq. But Afghanistan was a clear threat to American security, and I also saw a threat in Iraq

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You can find one thing untrue in this?

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right?
Okay, let's go through this mathetically:
"You can't find one thing not untrue in this?"=
"There is no x such that (you can find x) and (x is not untrue)?"=
"For all x, (you can't find x) or (x is untrue)?"=
"For all x, (you can find x) implies (x is untrue)?"=
"Everything you find is untrue?"

Remember that "for all x, not y" is the same as "not (for some x, y)", not "not (for all x, y)".

Actually what does it matter if she was "disrespectful" or not? A journalist's job is not to be respectful but to find out information, to reveal information, to investigate, to ask questions they think need answering.
She lied, which kinda goes against the "reeveal information" part. Why is it that people are constantly claiming that Bush lied, but giving people a free pass when they lie about Bush?

Well, in this day and age "disrespectful" means that you dare to challenge lies, apparently.
Well, that's a rather ironic thing to say, seeing as how she is the one whose lie is being challenged.

The pogrom run by the conservative flacks has a stunning similarity to columns and writings seen at other times in history.
Well, I guess that's one of the most subtle invocations of Godwin's Law I've seen.

On an almost entirely unrelated point, my jaw always tightens a bit whenever I hear (or read) Mr. Bush say "September the 11th" with that "the" in there. Don't know why it bothers me so, but gosh, I feel a bit better venting!
My pet peeve is "Nine one one". The first time I heard it in reference to 9/11, it took me a few seconds to realize what they were talking about. What's next, are people going to start saying "eight and a half by one one" instead of "eight and a half by eleven"?
 

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