Warning: Jackchit threatens Gravy!

[T.A.M.]

Yes, the one about his wifes death?

The fact is - he should be reported. He is an imbecile, clearly. Insinuating that Avery is assisting in some kind of pre planned maniacal murder holds no water, and therefore the overdramatised response of many the posts are borderline ridiculous. If anyone feels Avery needs to be reported, go on. I expect the authorities to laugh at the evidence.

I agree, that little if anything would likely happen to Avery. I think it simply dispicable that a boy like Avery, a leader in the truth movement, not only allows such a post to remain, but rather than disciplining the user through banning, he condones, and actually gets in on the event, indirectly, by stating where Mark is found every week, whether it was public knowledge or not.

TAM

 

[Hyperviolet]

I agree, that little if anything would likely happen to Avery. I think it simply dispicable that a boy like Avery, a leader in the truth movement, not only allows such a post to remain, but rather than disciplining the user through banning, he condones, and actually gets in on the event, indirectly, by stating where Mark is found every week, whether it was public knowledge or not.

TAM

TAM, again i state that i do not contest Averys judgement on the matter.

However, i feel that it is simply down to casual ignorance and not malice.

 

[Mince]

TAM, again i state that i do not contest Averys judgement on the matter.

However, i feel that it is simply down to casual ignorance and not malice.

Perhaps. But we don't really know, do we? I'm guessing (guessing, mind you) that if the thread had been real, that Avery would not have been to put off by it. Because, in reality, how does he know it is not real? Heck, I don't think anybody knows, including Jack Chit.

 

[jhunter1163]

Reported to Invisionfree.

 

[Hyperviolet]

Perhaps. But we don't really know, do we? I guessing (guessing, mind you) that if the thread had been real, that Avery would not have been to put off by it. Because, in reality, how does he know it is not real? Heck, I don't think anybody knows, including Jack Chit.

Mince, threats of violence on the internet are everywhere.

I havent personally read any report of someone travelling outside their country to settle an internet feud via violence. I think the chance of this actually happening are highly unlikely, almost negligable.

Dylans words are constantly placed under a microscope, he knows this and should've acted accordingly by being more responsible.

With every single threat of an ass kicking on the net, without exception, we never truly know if anything shall come of it. We use logic and common sense to gauge how real the threat is... and in this case, i cant help but feel this type of thinking has been abandoned in favour of an emotional response based purely on the personal dislike of Dylan Avery.

 

[David Wong]

And let me make something clear:

I'm aware that in heated internet flame wars people throw around "threats" all the time, Bears fans arguing with Packer fans until one guy says, "Yeah, you come down here to Soldier Field and we'll knock your teeth out!"

I recognize those as meaningless.

That was NOT what we had here. What we had here was a man, already unstable, already having ruined his marriage over that instability, already celebrating the death of his wife, suddenly in potential legal trouble regarding his children... and based on THAT, in that state of mind, threatened the life of a man whose name he knows, whose face he knows, whose LOCATION he knows.

The difference between those two scenarios is night and day. One is a kiddie getting overheated and saying, "I'll kill you!!!" The other is a specific threat against a specific person in a specific place by someone already showing himself to be unstable.

And please, nobody insult my intelligence with, "He never made a specific threat on his life!!!" He said he would be "the last thing" Mark ever saw. Either he was threatening death or he was threatening blindness.

 

[boloboffin]

The law of unintended consequences continues to hold true. I said over and over again for the busybodies who contacted Social Services not to do so. And now their asinine behavior has ricocheted onto Mark, who I can't even recall posting in that thread.

Yes, Mark is in NYC and jackchit is in England. Yes, jackchit would probably never cough up the dough to carry out his threat. But given Dylan Avery's cold-blooded assist, does anyone here think it unlikely that some helpful NYC native might be inspired to do the deed himself? The people we engage on a daily basis are not the most rational of people.

Yes, people are only responsible for the things that they do. But when a consequence of an action is not only possible, but probable, then you bear a measure of responsibility for it. THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T MEDDLE IN OTHER PEOPLE'S BUSINESS WITHOUT GOOD CAUSE.

Disclaimers: I'm given to understand that Mark can take care of himself. I condemn both the threat and the actions of Dylan.

ON EDIT: The initial post by jackchit clearly states that he is going to NYC in the next few months, and has targeted Mark not because he had anything to do with the visit, but because he "seems to be the spiritual leader of these loons." Therefore, I retract my statement about jack not visiting NYC. He clearly intends to do so.

 

[Hyperviolet]

And let me make something clear:

I'm aware that in heated internet flame wars people throw around "threats" all the time, Bears fans arguing with Packer fans until one guy says, "Yeah, you come down here to Soldier Field and we'll knock your teeth out!"

I recognize those as meaningless.

That was NOT what we had here. What we had here was a man, already unstable, already having ruined his marriage over that instability, already celebrating the death of his wife, suddenly in potential legal trouble regarding his children... and based on THAT, in that state of mind, threatened the life of a man whose name he knows, whose face he knows, whose LOCATION he knows.

The difference between those two scenarios is night and day. One is a kiddie getting overheated and saying, "I'll kill you!!!" The other is a specific threat against a specific person in a specific place by someone already showing himself to be unstable.

And please, nobody insult my intelligence with, "He never made a specific threat on his life!!!" He said he would be "the last thing" Mark ever saw. Either he was threatening death or he was threatening blindness.

Or possibly a figure of speech. However, that is beyond the point. Jackchit should not be threatening Mark, and must be reported.

I still fail to see Avery's criminal activity in this now planned murder. You state that this is the case, no matter how you slice it. Thus, i invite you to report Avery to the authorities. I must admit, i think your evidence is extremely weak and chance of prosecution is virtually non-existant.

 

[CHF]

Let's remember too that Dylan's avatar over there is a gif file of somebody shooting someone who looks a lot like Gravy.

Dylan sure didn't take that Hardfire beating gracefully, did he?

 

[hellaeon]

God damn it why does all the fun between the loons happen outside of Aus????

Meh ignore him, he is a little baby. Call the waaaambulance if anything. Im pretty sure Mark knows how to handle a bit of trump change. I mean he is a DJ right? Let me guess he will drop some E's and try to make love to Mark at ground zero?

bah, he is nothing. Just a quack

<Arnie Voice> NUH THING</Arnie Voice>

 

[Mince]

Mince, threats of violence on the internet are everywhere.

That doesn't make the right. And in some cases, they are illegal.

I havent personally read any report of someone travelling outside their country to settle an internet feud via violence. I think the chance of this actually happening are highly unlikely, almost negligable.

But it's still possible. And hey, if everyone is wrong, and the threat is real, we are talking about a life here, are we not? Regardless of whether it is practical or not should not be an issue. That he made the threat is the only issue. It should not be made, regardless of its feasibility, and should not be tolerated. Jack Chit and Dylan Avery failed, respectively, on both accounts.

Dylans words are constantly placed under a microscope, he knows this and should've acted accordingly by being more responsible.

No. He should have acted responsibly because he is a responsible individual, not because his actions are being graded.

With every single threat of an ass kicking on the net, without exception, we never truly know if anything shall come of it. We use logic and common sense to gauge how real the threat is... and in this case, i cant help but feel this type of thinking has been abandoned in favour of an emotional response based purely on the personal dislike of Dylan Avery

You are correct. It would be a little ridiculous to investigate or guard against every e-threat. However, this has quite a different feel to it. What gives it that feel is that Gravy is very accessible. Now, suddenly, not much work has to be done to accomplish such a threat. This is why Jack Chit's threat and Dylan Avery's subsequent buffoonery should be given its due caution and attention.

 

[Dog Town]

Just to review;
A loon from LCF goes on about his wifes death, being a blessing in his research. Then same loon claims SS visited him. Same loon goes on to threaten Gravy. To which Do Over tells him, he can find Gravy at ground zero! Something said loon was not aware, and thanked Do Over for!
Do Over while having such an avatar, on his own forum.

Who the hell thinks he wished Gravy no harm? Pffft....

 

[Foolmewunz]

How anyone can say that this is silliness and not to be taken seriously is beyond me. We live in a world where people pull out guns and use them on other people, "to impress Jody Foster", where alternative media can inspire a Tim McVeigh, where feelings of being ostracized or inadequate can lead to Columbine, Montreal, or via the wayback machine - to the Texas campus shootings.

Hyperviolet, there is far too much evidence of what people will do for acceptance to just blow-off Dylan's stupid response. There is a large element of the troofer movement that are getting frustrated, and we're hearing more and more calls of "Enough debate! It's time for action!" The vast majority of their movement, IMHO, are mommy's-basement-malcontents. But there are more and more shriller and shriller voices showing up on their forums. These people are getting frustrated and infuriated, and there's no telling where it could lead.

I want more than anything for this to be Jackchit shooting his mouth off, but unlike many, he's not an anonymous blogger - if his info is real, he's posted his name and whereabouts. And remember that this is a guy who not only let his obsession with the movement ruin his marriage, but who believes God removed his wife as an obstacle to his battle to enlighten the world. And that's just the visible guy - Jackchit. The real concern is that in four days someone shows up at GZ with a picket sign that has a pointed tip, or decides to throw a brick in someone's face. Why not? It's been approved by Dylan, after all. Even when they closed the thread down, they didn't say, "Hey, this is reprehensible and we do not in any way condone threats of violence." They basically said, "ok, enough is enough boys, let's calm down....."

This is not to be taken lightly. Neither the threat from Jackchit, an obviously unstable individual, nor from the more likely threats... the anonymous hangers-on who might want to impress Jody Foster.

 

[Falcon Apoda]

Was it only yesterday that Dylan wrote this?



Let's remember too that Dylan's avatar over there is a gif file of somebody shooting someone who looks a lot like Gravy.

Actually, that's the scene from Fight Club where Ed Norton starts kicking his own ass in his boss's office.

Strangely, his character refers to himself as "Jack".

 

[A W Smith]

And remember that this is a guy who not only let his obsession with the movement ruin his marriage, but who believes God removed his wife as an obstacle to his battle to enlighten the world.

His in-laws must think hes a real charmer. being thankful his ex wife is dead and all that. Did it ever occur to him that maybe it was the in-laws that called family services? or did he kill them already?

 

[hellaeon]

Its amazing how proving 911 suddenly became not about research but about violence. This guys thinks he was part of a conspiracy with David Beckham! hahaha

Hey JackaTwit, drop some more E's!

 

[Mince]

but who believes God removed his wife as an obstacle to his battle to enlighten the world.

I wonder why God didn't just enlighten the world for him and let his wife live.

 

[Rawkarma]

The law of unintended consequences continues to hold true. I said over and over again for the busybodies who contacted Social Services not to do so. And now their asinine behavior has ricocheted onto Mark, who I can't even recall posting in that thread.

Yes, Mark is in NYC and jackchit is in England. Yes, jackchit would probably never cough up the dough to carry out his threat. But given Dylan Avery's cold-blooded assist, does anyone here think it unlikely that some helpful NYC native might be inspired to do the deed himself? The people we engage on a daily basis are not the most rational of people.

Yes, people are only responsible for the things that they do. But when a consequence of an action is not only possible, but probable, then you bear a measure of responsibility for it. THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T MEDDLE IN OTHER PEOPLE'S BUSINESS WITHOUT GOOD CAUSE.

Disclaimers: I'm given to understand that Mark can take care of himself. I condemn both the threat and the actions of Dylan.

ON EDIT: The initial post by jackchit clearly states that he is going to NYC in the next few months, and has targeted Mark not because he had anything to do with the visit, but because he "seems to be the spiritual leader of these loons." Therefore, I retract my statement about jack not visiting NYC. He clearly intends to do so.

Issuing death threats at someone that was not even involved in the original thread should not be surprising to anyone that has read the irrational ramblings of JC.

Jackchit is showing even more signs that he is unstable.

"I said over and over again for the busybodies who contacted Social Services not to do so. And now their asinine behavior has ricocheted onto Mark, who I can't even recall posting in that thread."

How do you know social services even went to his home? We only have it on JC's word. How do you know someone concerned about the welfare of children, sorry, as you put it, "busybodies", from this forum contacted social services?

You don't.

"And now their asinine behavior has ricocheted onto Mark, who I can't even recall posting in that thread.""

The asinine behavior you presume was someone from this forum.

JC may just as easily be using this whole social services deal to justify -- in his fragile mind -- physical violence at a JREF.

He has picked someone that was not even involved in the original thread, and that made no mention of calling social services.

From his [JC's] words, and the fact we know Gravy didn't even post about social services in that original thread, he clearly justs wants an excuse to do harm to Gravy, and is justifying this to himself in yet more irrational behavior.

I don't know what you're smoking boloboffin, but you can't rationale JC's actions and blame others here for it ricocheting.

I recall you being one of the people in that original thread that was urging people to take JC's word with a pinch of salt.

When you don't even know that social services ever visited JC, I'd heed your own advice.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Issuing death threats at someone that was not even involved in the original thread should not be surprising to anyone that has read the irrational ramblings of JC.

Jackchit is showing even more signs that he is unstable.

"I said over and over again for the busybodies who contacted Social Services not to do so. And now their asinine behavior has ricocheted onto Mark, who I can't even recall posting in that thread."

How do you know social services even went to his home? We only have it on JC's word. How do you know someone concerned about the welfare of children, sorry, as you put it, "busybodies", from this forum contacted social services?

You don't.

"And now their asinine behavior has ricocheted onto Mark, who I can't even recall posting in that thread.""

The asinine behavior you presume was someone from this forum.

JC may just as easily be using this whole social services deal to justify -- in his fragile mind -- physical violence at a JREF.

He has picked someone that was not even involved in the original thread, and that made no mention of calling social services.

From his [JC's] words, and the fact we know Gravy didn't even post about social services in that original thread, he clearly justs wants an excuse to do harm to Gravy, and is justifying this to himself in yet more irrational behavior.

I don't know what you're smoking boloboffin, but you can't rationale JC's actions and blame others here for it ricocheting.

I recall you being one of the people in that original thread that was urging people to take JC's word with a pinch of salt.

When you don't even know that social services ever visited JC, I'd heed your own advice.

It is also unreasonable to assume that the only people that could/would have reported him to Child Services were people involved in the thread referenced in the OP. It could just as easily have been coworkers, neighbors, family, etc.

 

[Stellafane]

I see no excuse for Avery's behavior at all. Personally, I believe it's very likely -- perhaps even inevitable -- that within the next few months, there will be an incident where a truther physically assaults (or worse) someone who doesn't agree with him.

The whole thing reminds me of the pro-life movement. The leaders went around insisting that abortion is murder. So eventually, the inevitable happens, and a few less tightly wrapped followers start taking these words literally. And what would any sane person do to a baby killer in their midst? Why, they'd kill them before they can kill again -- that's a justifiable homicide if there ever was one. That's when the bombings and shootings started. Of course, the leaders then backtracked and claimed "I never meant to do the abortionists any harm," as if calling them murderers was some trivial thing.

Now you have the truthers like Avery going around saying that murderers are walking free among us, in our government, police, fire department, all over the place. If you really and truly believed this, wouldn't you want to bring them to justice? And what better justice than dishing out some of their own medicine? Sooner or later some tormented, confused soul is going to take Avery and company's message way too seriously, and act out on it. And Avery will bear an enormous amount of blame and responsibility for it.

These people have got to realize this isn't the Matrix or some role-playing game. This is real people and real lives.