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War movie sweeps Oscars

severin

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Is it really such a suprise that ROTK won so many awards? A film featuring a big war where good triumphs over evil with no-one to suggest that it was an 'unjust war' or to ask awkward questions about WMDs? I'm not a fan of LOTR, book or film, so maybe I'm being a bit cynical but a feel-good fantasy war movie that wins so many awards in a year of good films does make me wonder.

Is Dubya asking where he can get some plucky hobbits?
 
severin said:
Is it really such a suprise that ROTK won so many awards? A film featuring a big war where good triumphs over evil with no-one to suggest that it was an 'unjust war' or to ask awkward questions about WMDs? I'm not a fan of LOTR, book or film, so maybe I'm being a bit cynical but a feel-good fantasy war movie that wins so many awards in a year of good films does make me wonder.

Is Dubya asking where he can get some plucky hobbits?
We're assuming that you didn't see the film, then...
 
What's up with Andy Serkis not even getting a nomination as Best Supporting Actor?

Nassty Osscar Judgessss. We hates them!

Smeagol was robbed, preciousss...
 
Here's an article I found that some might find interesting. I don't have a link because it's only available in parchment form...

Gondor troops find no ROP's (Rings of Power)

Boobo Buggins -Shire News Monthly

Minas Tirith, Gondor-It has been several months since the Dark Lord Sauron has been defeated and there is still no sign of the Ring of Power that led King Aragorn, who swept to power on a anti-orc platform, on the road to war.

Sauron, defeated 3,000 years ago, was rumored to have been regaining strength recently and had re-activated his ROP program. King Aragorn sought to pre-emptively invade Mordor in a bid to effect regime change in that desolate land. In his speech to the council of Elrond in Rivendell last year the then Ranger known as Strider said, "If the people of Middle Earth do not form a coalition to strip Sauron of the Ring of Power then this council is little more than a debating society."

Also plagueing the administration are claims that the King's "coalition" is acutally made up almost entirely of Men except for 1 elf, 1 dwarf, and 4 hobbits. Aragorn's spokesman, the Wizard Gandalf, rebutted that 200 elfs helped defend Helm's Deep. When questioned about the accuracy of an Elf presence at Helms Deep Gandalf conceded that early, written accounts place those elfs in the forest of Lorien at the time.

The Wizard Gandalf has come under scrutiny lately as well. Sources close to the wizard place him at Isengard only weeks before the war's start. "At the time Saruman was considered an ally of Men and Gondor," Gandalf has said, "The past has no bearing on the current political situation."

PETM, People for the ethical treatment of monsters, have also objected to the treatment of oliphants during the war. "Oliphants are an endangered species," says Woody Leafblower, elf spokesman for PETM, "their treatment during the war was atrocious." Mr. Leafblower was then devoured by a troll.

In other legal news, the remaining Orcs of Mordor imprisoned as enemy combatants at Camp Brandywine in the Shire are seeking to be released. Conditions there are reported to be "disgustingly pleasant" by the prisoners.
"We ain't got but carrots and taters to eat since we got 'ere," commented Grishnak of Clan Spurting Vein, "not even any rotten meat! It's a bleedin' crime against orcdom says I."
 
severin said:
I'm being a bit cynical but a feel-good fantasy war movie that wins so many awards in a year of good films does make me wonder.

Good movies come from good plots.
The essence of plot is conflict.
The height of conflict is war.

Do the math. You may find the equation is much simpler when you leave the political paranoia out of it.
 
PETM, People for the ethical treatment of monsters. Very funny! Almost sounds like an Onion article.
 
severin said:
Is it really such a suprise that ROTK won so many awards? A film featuring a big war where good triumphs over evil with no-one to suggest that it was an 'unjust war' or to ask awkward questions about WMDs? I'm not a fan of LOTR, book or film, so maybe I'm being a bit cynical but a feel-good fantasy war movie that wins so many awards in a year of good films does make me wonder.

Is Dubya asking where he can get some plucky hobbits?

Let me get this straight, are you suggesting that people in the Academy voted for LOTR as a way to show support for the war in Iraq?
 
Hexxenhammer said:
Here's an article I found that some might find interesting. I don't have a link because it's only available in parchment form...
{snip}
Outstanding, Hex! Mind if I borrow it? I'll give you credit (although most of my correspondants won't know who Hexxenhammer is).
 
You people (who have seen/read it, at least) do realize that LotR is an anti-war story, based on Tolkien's experiences in WWI, right?
 
shanek said:
You people (who have seen/read it, at least) do realize that LotR is an anti-war story, based on Tolkien's experiences in WWI, right?

I thought that was rumour or an urban legend. Do you have a url for that? I'd really like to read about that.
 
Tricky said:

Outstanding, Hex! Mind if I borrow it? I'll give you credit (although most of my correspondants won't know who Hexxenhammer is).
Oooo....praise from the king of phlame. Yeah, take it, spread the word of Boobo far and wide.
 
shanek said:
You people (who have seen/read it, at least) do realize that LotR is an anti-war story, based on Tolkien's experiences in WWI, right?


I've read it, (admittedly long ago, but more than once) and it's difficult for me to recall evidence from the books that would support the anti-war portion of your claim.
 
DaChew said:


I thought that was rumour or an urban legend. Do you have a url for that? I'd really like to read about that.

If nothing else, just listen to the DVD commentaries.
 
Grammatron said:


Thanks, but the fact that Tolkien portrayed the horrors of a real war in his fiction doesn't convince me that LoTR is an antiwar story.


It seems to me that every character who counsels against war and for more negotiation in the story is shown to be wrong, and many suffer for that wrongness before realizing the correct choice.

Saruman urges making peace with Mordor, Theoden urges making peace with Saruman. Many peoples hope to stand aside before they realize that they cannot. Rather than all fleeing West and leaving the East to its warlike folly, the Elves take one more stand with Men.

The Army of the Dead was cursed because it broke its pledge to go to war for Gondor, etc.

It takes but one to make a war, not two, and those who do not take up swords can still die upon them.
~ Eowyn
 
I believe,in my opinion, that Tolkein was attempting to show that while you can appease evil powers,and even live side by side with them,there may come a time when you have to abandon peace and don the mantle of war. In my experiece,no one hates war more than those that have been there,but they are also the same people who understand that there may come a time when there is no other choice.
 
aerocontrols said:
It seems to me that every character who counsels against war and for more negotiation in the story is shown to be wrong, and many suffer for that wrongness before realizing the correct choice.

War isn't the "correct choice" in either the books or the movies. It is an inevitability. Showing that even a necessary and just war is horrible, to me, is the greatest anti-war message of them all. It is ONLY something you should do when you have no other choice, and even then, it ain't pretty.
 

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