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WalMart revisited

I avoid Wallymart when I can. They are one of the richest companies in the US and they pay their workers almost nothing. Then theirs the Wally mart predatory nature towards competition.

WallMart reminds me of the old days of Carnagie, and the monopolies.
 
My friend has a tshirt that with the Walmart logo that reads below it simply: "Walmart. Cheap, Plastic Crap."

I agree and avoind that place when I can.
 
I have no problem shopping at Wal Mart, if they have the best pricing on the items I want.

Yes, there are violations; there are probably going to be violations at any large company. (Some may be "misunderstandings", such as people not punching in and out at lunch, others may be problems with local management rather than wide-scale abuse.)

Not sure how they are in the US, but here in Canada, Wal Mart has gotten involved in some charaties where other organizations have failed; for example, they have supported certain war memorials when the federal government didn't bother.
 
Best thing about WalMarts is the Oil Change. Cheap cheap cheap..Even with Mobil 1.

And since all Oil does actually come from the same place, it's good for me.
 
If Wal-Mart forced people to skip breaks & lunches, and forced teenagers to work late, that is bad.

However, I once worked in a department store, and often people were making deals to skip breaks & lunch so they could leave early. If it's their decision so what? The same with letting teenagers work late. If they want to do it, and it's OK with their gfuardians, so what?
 
Ugh, Walmart.
I agree it's cheap crap. I used to shop there years ago for essentials when I had no money, but never again.
 
In a company as large as Wal-Mart, labor slip-ups are bound to occur. More disturbing is the fact that Wal-Mart pays its clerks so little that they can't afford the company's health insurance. This company policy leaves the lower-paid employees seeking medical care at public hospitals and other emergency facilities. So the quarter you save on a can of Wal-Mart beans may have to be paid out in increased county taxes to enable your hospital district to handle Wal-Mart families. This was covered on one of the network news magazine shows a month ago. I imagine other cost-cutting retailers do the same, though.
 
Evolver said:
If Wal-Mart forced people to skip breaks & lunches, and forced teenagers to work late, that is bad.

However, I once worked in a department store, and often people were making deals to skip breaks & lunch so they could leave early. If it's their decision so what? The same with letting teenagers work late. If they want to do it, and it's OK with their gfuardians, so what?
Yep. Nothing wrong with that. But the article does state:

"More than 40 lawsuits have accused the company of forcing employees to skip breaks and lunches, according to the Times. Wal-Mart has successfully petitioned courts to keep the audit sealed."

Not to pass judgment yet (entirely), but that doesn't sound good.
 
daenku32 said:
Best thing about WalMarts is the Oil Change. Cheap cheap cheap..Even with Mobil 1.

And since all Oil does actually come from the same place, it's good for me.
[nitpick]But Mobil 1 is synthetic, so it doesn't come from the "same place".[/nitpick]
 
KelvinG said:
Ugh, Walmart.
I agree it's cheap crap. I used to shop there years ago for essentials when I had no money, but never again.

I shop there when I'm looking for something and have no earthly idea who might carry it. 9 times out of 10 Walmart does, so it's a "none of the above" option for me, at least since I let my Sam's Club membership lapse.

I've never seen Walmart brand stuff there, except their generic pop and other groceries, which I never buy. Most of their stuff is brand name, even if cheap brand name, but certainly no trashier than you'd find most other places. I've got no quibble about their selection or quality, since even the "cheap plastic stuff" is usually right next to slightly more expensive plastic stuff.

No, my problem with Walmart is the freakin' people. If you've been there, you know who I'm talking about.

It starts in the parking lot. The pimped-out van straddling two spaces, the clot-like growths of oversized blue shopping carts nesting in every open space, the clueless parents refusing to corral their 18 kids as they sprint to and fro in front of your car. And of course you have to circle the parking lanes, so that means you need to navigate that big area in front of the door, where these idiots gather like swallows at Capistrano(sp?). They stop in the middle of the street and check for their wallets, their keys, to check the time, and maybe, just maybe, see where their godawful children have run off to.

Then you get inside. You're greeted by some pathetic shell of a human being, usually. The guy will be 90 years old, in a wheelchair, or have some kind of malignant tumor sprouting from his neck. All I know is, that's one more employee who won't be manning the registers.

You hit the wall of shoppers who must, MUST examine every special from the circular ads posted on the wall there, and must do it from a distance that makes it difficult to get past on either side. In the aisles, you must detour endlessly around seemingly abandoned carts that congest the main avenues and maneuver around the invariably obese women who chatter in some random Slavic language in the center of the smaller lanes, utterly oblivious to people trying to get around them.

You jockey for position like a driver in lap 490 of the Indy 500, and finally identify a clear lane to the department you want to get to. Turn a corner and you hit a wall of boxes that tower over you like the monolith in 2001. They're restocking at noon. On Saturday. The busiest shopping time of the week.

So you adjust. You backtrack, but it's too late. A trio of children has decided to disassemble the entire auto parts section right in the aisle. Daddy, looking at hubcaps for his pimped-out Ford Focus, is too busy to notice the urchins at work. So you backtrack further. After dodging a thousand human landmines, you find what you came for. Triumphant, you head to checkout.

And here's where your problems really begin. You drop into the express lane, 12 items or less, behind a woman with 300 items (mostly consisting of quasi-colonial kitsch) piled onto the conveyer belt. Now, she's got easy access to the little divider bar that goes between customers' stuff, but she WON'T PUT IT DOWN. You can't reach it without violating her personal space, which you immediately sense would be a mistake, so you sit tight. You tap your fingers to remind her of your presence - and it's almost invariably a her - but she is oblivious.

Situational awareness is the common theme in all Walmart customer problems, in my opinion.

So the order moves forward to the cashier, and smelling your opportunity, you snatch the divider bar from over her shoulder and begin laying your one or two items on the belt. She looks at you as if she'd caught you raping her schnauzer. After all, these are HER items, on HER belt, waiting to be tallied by HER cashier. How dare you intrude on the sanctity of HER shopping experience?

So you check out, and if you're lucky you pay with only one swipe of your credit card in the reader. Then you must present your receipt to the codger running the "smile 'n secure" patrol at the exit. He stares at your receipt through glasses thick enough to focus terminal amounts of sunlight onto an insect, and though he obviously can't read a thing gives you the highlighter "seal of approval" so you may leave the store.

Then, in the parking lot, you must load your goods while fending off the space-hunting parasites that follow you, stalker-like, in their cars, hoping to snatch your spot. If you're wise, you'll dump your cart in your spot to slow them down enough that they don't catch you and eat your brains.

Since 90% of my negative Walmart experience comes from other shoppers, I can't really fault Walmart. Perhaps its time to open a discussion about reproductive rights, however.
 
There are several things that are bad about Walmart!

1. They don't allow labor unions

2. Their stuff is cheap crap

3. They pay there workers low wages, so low that they are forced to shop at Walmart for food and other essentials.

I could go on and on with my rants on Walmart.

There is a Democratic Socialist Petition going around right now, loads of people have already signed it.

You can see it here.

From the DSA:

Working Assets Electronic Petition

Working Assets, the progressive long distance provider, has initiated an electronic petition to walmart, backed up by a pledge not to buy from Wal-mart during the holidays until they change their business practices. Their goal is 100,000 particpants. This is their messasge:

Wal-Mart engages in some of the worst labor practices in the country: paying its employees substandard wages, forcing unpaid overtime on its workers and refusing to provide affordable health insurance.

This holiday season, pledge not to shop at Wal-Mart and to ask your friends and families not to buy you gifts from Wal-Mart until the chain:

* Pays its one million workers a living wage
* Provides affordable health insurance to its employees
* Stops discriminating against women
* Stops attacking employees who want to be represented by a union
* Ceases forcing unpaid overtime on its employees
* Stops pressuring suppliers to lower their labor costs

Tell Wal-Mart that until it changes its ways, you will take your holiday shopping to other stores and will urge your friends and family to do the same.

Click on this address to join the campaign:
http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/petition.cfm?itemid=16041&ms=di


I highly urge that people sign this petition if you want a better chance for Walmart policy change.

Oh, and Walmart is not the only bad place.

Take a look at the Safeway strike and you will see what I mean:

{I do have permission from the DSA to post this!)

DSA Supports Grocery Workers

Democratic Socialists of America is urging its members, allies and frineds not to shop At Safeway stores until the striking and locked out grocery workers in Southern California are back at work. A resolution passed by the Interim Steering Committee of DSA National Political Committee urged DSA members and local organizations to participate fully in any mobilizations at Safeway organized by the United Food and Commercial Workers Union (UFCW). The complete text of the resolution follows:

Resolution supporting Southern California Grocery Workers

Whereas grocery workers of Southern California have been on strike against Vons and Pavilions, subsidiaries of Safeway Inc. and have been locked out of Albertsons Inc. and Ralphs, a subsidiary of Kroger Company, since October 11, 2003, and

Whereas the main issue in the strike/lockout is the employers attempt to drastically cut back on health benefits and pensions, and

Whereas the employers blame competition from Wal-Mart as the reason they are attempting to convert their jobs into Wal-Mart style poverty level jobs, and

Whereas leaders of the United Food and Commercial Workers Union (UFCW) from Locals all across the U.S., plus national AFL-CIO leaders including President John J. Sweeney, met in Los Angeles on Dec. 16 and

Whereas UFCW President Doug Dority declared at that meeting: "If we lose here, it will set off a corporate tidal wave that will sweep away benefits in contracts in all industries", and

Whereas Dority further declared that there would be national mobilizations at Safeway, the parent company of Vons and Pavilions,

therefore

Democratic Socialists of America urges its members, friends and allies not to shop at Safeway stores until the strike/lockout is settled and workers have returned to their jobs, and

further resolves to give all possible support to the striking grocery workers in their effort to achieve a fair contract, including publicizing, supporting and participating in any national mobilizations at Safeway stores.

We further resolve to actively communicate this intention to DSA members and locals around the U.S. and urge every DSA member to participate in these efforts.

If you want this in a nutshell, the DSA is opposed to any type of Low Wage Economy!

Again, I have permission from the DSA to post this:

Democratic Socialists of America
Confronting the Low Wage Economy

Forty years ago, Michael Harrington's book The Other America alerted middle-class Americans to the continuing existence of poverty. Breaking the invisibility of poverty in the 1960s was key to the creation of the anti-poverty programs of the Great Society. But the situation is worse today. The deregulated market economy has resulted in a massive upward redistribution of wealth with a large part of the working population permanently stuck in low-wage jobs. DSA Honorary Chair Barbara Ehrenreich's recent book, Nickel and Dimed, gives a vivid picture of their situation. This new economy affects everyone, but has been especially devastating to women, children, people of color and recent immigrants. As in the 1950s and 60s, the mass media hides the reality of massive inequality from public view. Even for the left, the desperation of people without affordable housing, health care or childcare has not been high on the list of priorities for political action.

The overall goals of the DSA Low-Wage Justice Project are to bring the human consequences of the low-wage economy to the attention of the American people, to promote low-wage activist campaigns around specific issues, to support the efforts of low-wage workers and their communities to raise their wages and conditions through collective action, and to associate DSA with these issues at the local and national levels.
 
I admire the company, but I avoid the stores because I don't want to be around trailer trash. I would rather spend more somewhere else to be around a higher class of people.
 
Theodore Kurita said:
There are several things that are bad about Walmart!

1. They don't allow labor unions

2. Their stuff is cheap crap

3. They pay there workers low wages, so low that they are forced to shop at Walmart for food and other essentials.

I could go on and on with my rants on Walmart.

[blah blah blah socialsist crap]

There is a Democratic Socialist Petition going around right now, loads of people have already signed it.

You can see it here.


you're big on petitions, aren't you? Ever notice how they all come to nothing?

Begone, commie.
 
Theodore Kurita said:
There is a Democratic Socialist Petition going around right now

And they would be......????? In other words, am I supposed to be impressed?

Theodore Kurita said:

, loads of people have already signed it.

Yes, all 17 who showed up at their national convention. I'm sure Wal-Mart is shaking in their boots.
 
I worked at a Wallyworld while I was in college. Most people working there were either earning supplemental income for their family or working there as a highschool/college job.

That said, no friggin duh they don't pay 60 grand a year. Its one step up from flippin burgers. Cashiers can't afford the health insurance? So what?

Jeez people, get a grip.
 
We just spent $73 at Walmart yesterday. Bought mostly name brand stuff too, not "cheap crap".

For example:

  • Coca Cola ®, $0.88 per 2-liter bottle
  • Dawn ® brand dish soap
    ($2 off Kroger price)
  • Campbell's Chunky soup, $1.50 per can
    (saved over a $1 per can)
  • Campbell's Tomato Soup, $0.50 per can
    (half off Kroger price)
  • some Kraft ® brand foods
    (at huge savings over the Kroger or Farmer Jack prices)
  • General Electric light bulbs
  • some school supplies (made in the U.S.)
  • 3 DVDs, $5.50 each (amazon.com price in parentheses)
    - "Volunteers", with Tom Hanks and John Candy (9.98)
    - "My Fellow Americans" with Jack Lemmon, James Garner, and Dan Aykroyd (13.48)
    - "The Astronaut's Wife" with Johnny Depp and Charlize Theron (9.98)
That's just a partial list, obviously.

I estimate the total savings at almost $40.

I'll shop at Walmart again. It is no more of a hassle than any other store around here.
 
See the post by Jocko above.

I call WalMart "the pithole of the earth." It is an absolutely horrid place to be.

Yet, I do go on occasion, mainly because it's closeby (just a couple blocks from home). If I have the chance, I will go to Target instead, but it is across town.

A good tip for WalMart: Check out in the electronics section. If you have three DVDs like xouper did, you can just check everything out in electronics. Never a line...
 
For all those people who say they never do and never will shop at a Walmart, I have a question?

Where do you go to buy the following things:
Garbage can
Dish drainer
Motor Oil
Shower curtain
White cotton undershirts
Bath mat
Vacum cleaner bags
Disposable plastic table cloth
Etc.

Yes, I suppose I can go to 5 different stores, hoping that each has what I need and a variety to choose from, or I can go to Walmart and get it all at once, at a good price, with decent quality.
 
Theodore Kurita said:


* Pays its one million workers a living wage
* Provides affordable health insurance to its employees
Do the following places offer those 2 things:
Shoprite, Target, Kmart, Pathmark, McDonalds, Subway, Burger King, A&P, Rite Aid, Wendys, Taco Bell, BJs, Costco, etc.

Why only complain about Walmart? Where are the petitions for every other of the hundreds of companies that generally pay around minimum wage with no health insurance for low skilled jobs??
 

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