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dsm said:


False dichotomy. You presume that not accepting (someone like?) GWB means accepting a Muslim world.
No more false than you thinking that some happy middle ground will emerge -- before things go really, really, wrong & them that have them trot out the nukes.

Many of you are worrying about the wrong problem. It's not, what bad will occur while the US/GrBrit occupy strategic middle east oil territory; rather, it's what will happen if they don't.



But did he do the "sensible" thing in following his political course of action on these issues?
:p
It's a bit early to judge. Shall we take a look in ten years, or a hundred? Just because your favorite tv show or movie gets a clear ending in 1 or 2 hours doesn't mean history works that fast.
 
hammegk said:

No more false than you thinking that some happy middle ground will emerge -- before things go really, really, wrong & them that have them trot out the nukes.

Many of you are worrying about the wrong problem. It's not, what bad will occur while the US/GrBrit occupy strategic middle east oil territory; rather, it's what will happen if they don't.

Have something specific you'd care to mention?
 
subgenius said:

1. Not devoting the amount of resourses wasted in Iraq to finding and ripping the heart out of OBL.
2. Not ferreting out the weasel in his own administration who divulged the identity of a CIA agent.
3. Appointing, and then not supporting his manufacturing czar who took factories to China.
4. Giving false numbers to members of his own party to pass the Medicare (Medicaid?) bill.
5. Opposing, then obstructing the work of the 9/11 Commission.
6. Privatizing much of our military operation in Iraq.
7. Blaming his lack of action post 9/11 on subordinates not telling him what to do.
8. Distracting attention from important issues with crap like the Gay Marriage Amendment.
9. Opposing then allowing an investigation into the intelligence failures leading to the war in Iraq.
10. Limiting his information input by not even reading papers, instead relying on summaries by sycophants.
11. Acting like he had a mandate after a "close" election.
12. Trying to impose his version of democracy on a foreign nation.
13. Having his justice department argue that the Alien Tort Act forbids lawsuits against human rights abuses by Burma and Saudi Arabia.
14. Allowing a plane load of Saudis including members of the bin Laden family leave the country when all other flights were grounded.
15. Racking up record deficits.
16. Favoring tax relief for the wealthy.
17. To be continued.....

A list of left leaning opinion. :s2:

The only comment I have about SG's list is that it's obvious he's been studying his polemics closely.

Were I to stoop to his level and post a list like that, I could make one twice as long and never even have to leave Ann Coulter's page for Bill O'Reilly's. :rolleyes:

-z
 
1. Not devoting the amount of resourses wasted in Iraq to finding and ripping the heart out of OBL.
2. Not ferreting out the weasel in his own administration who divulged the identity of a CIA agent.
4. Giving false numbers to members of his own party to pass the Medicare (Medicaid?) bill.
5. Opposing, then obstructing the work of the 9/11 Commission.
8. Distracting attention from important issues with crap like the Gay Marriage Amendment.

13. Having his justice department argue that the Alien Tort Act forbids lawsuits against human rights abuses by Burma and Saudi Arabia.
14. Allowing a plane load of Saudis including members of the bin Laden family leave the country when all other flights were grounded.
15. Racking up record deficits.

16. forgeting about Afganistan
17 WMD


these are items that concern me. I guess that makes me a pinko commie.



Virgil
 
For the current discussion, Chemical-Biological-Nuclear.


I can envision Bio scenarios that could be potentially more devatating to humans than a global Thermo-nuke exchange -- maybe.
 
Virgil said:
1. Not devoting the amount of resourses wasted in Iraq to finding and ripping the heart out of OBL.
2. Not ferreting out the weasel in his own administration who divulged the identity of a CIA agent.
4. Giving false numbers to members of his own party to pass the Medicare (Medicaid?) bill.
5. Opposing, then obstructing the work of the 9/11 Commission.
8. Distracting attention from important issues with crap like the Gay Marriage Amendment.

13. Having his justice department argue that the Alien Tort Act forbids lawsuits against human rights abuses by Burma and Saudi Arabia.
14. Allowing a plane load of Saudis including members of the bin Laden family leave the country when all other flights were grounded.
15. Racking up record deficits.

16. forgeting about Afganistan
17 WMD


these are items that concern me. I guess that makes me a pinko commie.



Virgil

Issues are just issues Virgil,

...it's your bias that makes you a pinko commie. ;)

Just look at what you've done. #1 you've shamelessly copied out what SG wrote. Me-tooism is frowned upon by all but the intellectually indolent.

#2. SG's so called facts are merely naked rhetoric. When did you decide to stop beating your wife Virgil? Well? Do you honestly consider SG's rhetoric as valid "ISSUES"??


Good God man,...have you no shame?

-z
 
I did not shameless copy... I was too lazy to retype them all. I even removed items that I didn't me-to with.

but you are right I should have removed the loaded language from the items I copied. like weasel and crap.

I swear I haven't beat my wife in at least two weeks, if you don't count yesterday, but she really diserved it. :p


no not issues, I refered to them as items.



Virgil
 
hammegk said:
I can envision Bio scenarios that could be potentially more devatating to humans than a global Thermo-nuke exchange -- maybe.

Ah. And Bush's policies (and the sense behind them) have made us more or less safe from these scenarios? Have we exchanged the enemy we know for the enemy we don't?
 
rikzilla said:

A list of left leaning opinion. :s2:

And a weasly response from the right... :s2:

All right, if you don't like SG's list, then let me turn Hammy's question on you:

Specifically what parts of George Bush's "sense of right and wrong" do you deem sensible?
 
rikzilla said:
In 2000 I voted for Mr. Nader as a protest vote as I could not stand Mr. Gore, and only knew Mr. Bush as an inarticulate rich boy. Yet since he has taken office I've found only his abysmal record on the environment to complain about. He has faced crises head on and has stood up for what he believes. His handling of the China spy plane incident first won him my admiration,...his handling of 9/11 cemented it.

Say it isn't so!!! What kind of nemesis can you be for me on this board if we both voted Green in 2000?

:D

Oh well, at least we can spar over Mr. Bush...

Regarding the inability to answer a question without going into an irrelevant speech, I have also observed that most politicians do this from time to time. While I was watching the Democratic primaries, trying to make up my own mind whom to support, I was watching for this in particular.

As it happened, Kerry and Edwards did a fairly good job of directly answering questions. The worst offenders were Dean, Sharpton, and Kuchinichchch (however you spell it)...

It was this which led me to feel I can give positive support to Kerry, actually. Though I feel Edwards performed best overall.
 
Addendum: I should say "President Bush" instead of "Mr. Bush"... I do believe in showing the proper honorific.
 
19. New Yorkers were lied to following the horrific collapse of the World Trade Center towers. Proposed warnings by the Environmental Protection Agency - that the air quality near ground zero might pose health hazards - were watered down or deleted by the White House and replaced with the reassuring message that the air was safe to breathe.
The EPA's own inspector general said later that the agency did not have sufficient data to claim the air was safe.
The Bush administration at the time was pushing legislation limiting the asbestos manufacturer's liability.
 
Consider his response to the first of several questions about admitting mistakes: "Hmmm. Look. I can understand why people in my administration are anguished over the fact that people lost their life.”
When another reporter raised the same question, his remarks made Casey Stengel sound like Lincoln: "You know, I just–I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference with all the pressure of trying to come up with an answer, but it hadn't yet."
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0415/goldstein.php
 

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