VW lies to US EPA - cheats on emissions control test

[foophil]

I'm too lazy to spend too much time countering your argument. I will say that the Chinese supply most of the rare earth material needed to make modern batteries like those used in your Prius. The actual manufacture of a TDI or your Prius is going to be a push as far as the body and drive train goes. Steel,iron,plastic,rubber. Both have internal combustion motors which emit pollutants. The TDI absolutely more per mile than a Prius. The rare earth mining and processing in China is going to be the difference. The black smoke belching mining equipment that delivers the ore, which many tons are needed to produce few ounces, to the black smoke producing production facility which gets its power from the black smoke belching coal fired power plant, I believe supports my theory of carbon footprint. If I get some time I will endeavor to source my opinion.

To be clear, I'm not arguing against you. I'm saying that:

1.) This isn't the thread for this. Please open a new one or find an old one that touches this subject.

2.) You've made the claim, therefore you need to back it up with evidence (in another thread).

3.) I'm not saying you are wrong. In fact, I'm saying I'd be interested in seeing if you are right as it may influence what I buy in the future. I'm truly ignorant in how much pollution is created to mine the small amount of rare Earth metals used in my car specifically. Rare Earth metals get used in a LOT of items world-wide (not just the battery in my car). Again, not saying you are wrong though.

Thanks!

 

[foophil]

More cheating discovered. More vehicles added to the bad list:

http://news.yahoo.com/epa-says-vw-cheating-software-may-more-vehicles-181641046--finance.html

Will anything VW made in the last 10 years pass emissions tests? Sheesh. VW is claiming this is a different device, though I fail to see how that makes it any better. They do claim this defeat mechanism is legal in Europe though. Granted... VW has claimed a lot of things so far and been wrong so we'll see if that holds up.

 

[paulhutch]

More cheating discovered. More vehicles added to the bad list:

http://news.yahoo.com/epa-says-vw-cheating-software-may-more-vehicles-181641046--finance.html

Will anything VW made in the last 10 years pass emissions tests? Sheesh. VW is claiming this is a different device, though I fail to see how that makes it any better. They do claim this defeat mechanism is legal in Europe though. Granted... VW has claimed a lot of things so far and been wrong so we'll see if that holds up.

Well most (maybe all) the regular gasoline engine vehicles sold in the USA are OK.

 

[Cleon]

Well most (maybe all) the regular gasoline engine vehicles sold in the USA are OK.

As far as we know. So far.

 

[sloinker]

Got my $1000 from Volkswagen last week. Bought 4 alloy rims with studded snow tires and used it up. Thanks VW!

 

[Trebuchet]

I wonder how Aglolawyer is doing with his planned suit. Guess we'll never know.

 

[foophil]

Official US lawsuit is now submitted:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/u-s-sues-volkswagen-for-alleged-pollution-cheating/

The Justice Department yesterday filed a multibillion-dollar civil lawsuit against Volkswagen and five of its subsidiaries, including Audi and Porsche, related to the VW software that allowed its diesels to pass emission tests but release an unsafe amount of harmful nitrogen oxides (NOx) when driven under real-world conditions.

The complaint, filed with a federal court in Detroit, accuses the company of violating at least four provisions of the Clean Air Act when it sold approximately 600,000 diesel vehicles that don’t meet U.S. emissions standards. The company also failed to disclose that it had installed certain devices in the vehicles that modify emissions and performance, regulators said.

The department requested that the court enforce injunctions to stop the sale of Volkswagens in the United States and levy financial damages against the company of potentially more than $100,000 per vehicle.

 

[Eddie Dane]

Shares down 10% this year.

The touted total vastly exceeds the "in excess of $18bn" first predicted in September 2015, when the emissions scandal broke.

The Justice Department is also investigating criminal fraud allegations against Volkswagen for misleading the US regulators as well as VW customers, though such cases cannot be brought to court as easy as civil lawsuits and require more burden of proof. The Wall Street Journal says the civil lawsuit is unlikely to be the end of the US government's pursuit of VW, but rather an opening move which could pave the way for other legal actions.
Volkswagen has already set aside $7bn (£4.6bn) to cover the costs incurred by a large-scale recall programme of vehicles fitted with the emissions defeat devices which is scheduled to run through 2016. Worldwide, around 11m diesel-engine VW group cars are affected in the scandal worldwide.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/65351/volkswagen-could-face-61bn-fine-in-us-lawsuit

I've made really good gains on my VW shares recently, maybe it's time to bail.

 

[ZiprHead]

A Bailout for Volkswagen? Congress Wants to Do Something Absolutely Crazy

The Financial Times Link

 

[Ranb]

So is this some sort of justice?
http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/17/news/companies/volkswagen-executive-denied-bail/index.html

VW exec stuck in jail 70 days and counting

Christmas vacation on Dec. 24, he probably never imagined the trip would be extended to include jail time.

But the 48-year old former head of VW's U.S. environment and engineering office isn't going home anytime soon.

Thursday a federal judge in Detroit rejected his request to be released on bond. Schmidt has been in custody for 70 days, since his Jan. 7 arrest at Miami International Airport as he prepared to return to Germany at the end of his vacation.

He is one of six Volkswagen executives facing federal conspiracy charges related to the Volkswagen emissions scandal. But he is the only one in the custody in the United States. The other alleged conspirators are all believed to be in Germany, and none are in custody, according to U.S. authorities.

I don't know a lot about the scandal in general or about the attitudes of industry leaders in Germany, but maybe this is part of the problem? Did this guy think he was untouchable?

Germany does not allow extradition of German citizens to foreign countries, and five other Volkswagen executives who have been charged in the emissions cheating case remain in Germany, beyond the reach of U.S. authorities.

But Schmidt decided to risk arrest by coming to the United States, which he and his wife have done for Christmas break every year since 2008. His attorney had contacted federal prosecutors to ask "if he had anything to worry about" by taking the trip to Florida, according to Singer. He was told authorities would not be "offering safe passage" to Schmidt. He decided to come anyway.