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VP Picks 2012

MattusMaximus said:
Ouch. That's a little embarrassing... I think the Obama campaign is going to have a field day with this, because if Romney runs from or doesn't at least defend Ryan's budget, then the Tea Party is going to be pissed at him.

And something else I noticed in the article: Romney is talking about coming up with his own budget plan? WTF dude?! Your running mate has one hanging out there and all, and now you're saying "Oh just wait, I'll come up with something..."

What a clown show :rolleyes:
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Of course he's not "running on Ryan's budget". Use your brain a bit here. He's already got substance on this issue in detail on his website.

Frank Newgent said:
Paul Ryan has already collected Social Security.
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And so? Rather unusual circumstances, weren't they? Oh wait....you didn't mention those.

Puppycow said:
Oh yeah, I remember starting a thread on the Ryan Budget proposal:

Paul Ryan's insane budget proposal
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Which is irrelevant because Romney is running on Romney fixing the economy.
 
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SezMe said:
Ok, let's try this. Imagine the situation turned upside down. The Elephant is running for a second term and a Donkey VP candidate has just been announced. He:

  • has NO foreign policy experience
  • has NO military experience or expertise
  • has NO private sector experience (in spite of the prez saying it is "essential")
  • is relatively young
You'd be going ape**** with glee wouldn't you?
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It's like Kirk reasoning to Nomad.

I like it.
 
mhaze said:
Quoting talkingpointsmemo!

Yes, they do have "talking points" for you.

How about something original for a change? Instead of just being a parrot.

Looks pretty much like the election has just shaped up.

Capitalism vs socialism.
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Do you dispute any fact in the article relevant to why I linked it (or any at all)? Or are you just blowing off steam?
 
hgc said:
Do you dispute any fact in the article relevant to why I linked it (or any at all)? Or are you just blowing off steam?
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I don't know how to answer that. You parroted some left wing talking points. Can one have a conversation with a parrot?

Hmm....

Frank Newgent said:
It's OK to have participated in what you (Ryan) characterize as a Ponzi scheme if the circumstances are unsual?
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Sure, let's explore this. First thing is, you post the exact circumstances under which he received social security, and then you post your opinion as to why it wasn't justified.

Then I'll comment. Otherwise, you've framed the issue inaccurately and are a mere propagandist, to boot, one with a subject which is likely to backfire.

Regnad Kcin said:
Romney has little credibility with Romney fixing the economy insofar as Romney hasn't released Romney's tax returns in order to first demonstrate Romney's handling of Romney's own finances.
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Why, that makes it all so totally clear. I can see further now, like blinders were taken off my eyes.

No, wait....Romney's tax returns are handled at 2:40.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zTW6Ekqn-4
 
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Cain said:
Hey Frank! I think we can agree that this just shows how smart he is.

P.S. Ayn Rand collected Social Security.
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But Rand had paid into it, and Ryan had not. But we're waiting for the facts of the matter from Frank, so let's see what he's got.
 
mhaze said:
Of course he's not "running on Ryan's budget". Use your brain a bit here. He's already got substance on this issue in detail on his website.



And so? Rather unusual circumstances, weren't they? Oh wait....you didn't mention those.

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Re Ryan receiving Social Security benefits ---
As of June 2012 some 1,949,000 children were getting Social Security Survivor benefits, So, maybe not so rare.
http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/quickfacts/stat_snapshot/
 
mhaze, I know you're busy answering other posts, but YOU requested something different so I tried to accommodate you in post #258. I would appreciate the courtesy of your response.

Oh, and by the way, I left another bullet point off:


  • He has virtually NO management/administrative experience. The largest organization he's been responsible for is his office staff.
 
SezMe said:
mhaze, I know you're busy answering other posts, but YOU requested something different so I tried to accommodate you in post #258. I would appreciate the courtesy of your response.

Oh, and by the way, I left another bullet point off:


  • He has virtually NO management/administrative experience. The largest organization he's been responsible for is his office staff.
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Valid criticism.
In my opinion, EITHER as congressman or senator is an inferior background for P/VP as opposed to extensive business experience or governor. A governor essentially runs and manages a business. Yes, this applied to Palin, as well as Carter, and Bill Clinton (but not Hillary).

But just as when looking at resumes for a new hire, there is no one factor that predominates or which should. Overall, I think this is a great pick because it draws the line in the sand between the two candidates, what they believe, and what they think the future of the country should be.

  • If you don't like small government, fiscal responsiblity, pro business policies you couldn't have a clearer political enemy.
  • If you do like small government, fiscal responsibility, and pro business policies you couldn't have a clearer ally.

Yes, because of a lack of a decade or two of running business operations, Ryan could make mistakes. Here we get into the primary issue, which is not yet stated, and which is still quite unknown.

What kind of people would Romney/Ryan hire to advise and assist them?
 
mhaze said:
I don't know how to answer that. You parroted some left wing talking points. Can one have a conversation with a parrot?

Hmm....

Sure, let's explore this. First thing is, you post the exact circumstances under which he received social security, and then you post your opinion as to why it wasn't justified.

Then I'll comment. Otherwise, you've framed the issue inaccurately and are a mere propagandist, to boot, one with a subject which is likely to backfire.

Why, that makes it all so totally clear. I can see further now, like blinders were taken off my eyes.

No, wait....Romney's tax returns are handled at 2:40.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zTW6Ekqn-4
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Let me get this straight - you want him to post the exact circumstances under which Ryan received social security, etc, and accuse him of being a propagandist if he doesn't...

and then post a clip of a Hitler movie with incorrect subtitles as your answer on Romney's tax returns?

Welcome to the GOP, where facts are for other people.
 
Dorian Gray said:
Let me get this straight - you want him to post the exact circumstances under which Ryan received social security, etc, and accuse him of being a propagandist if he doesn't...

and then post a clip of a Hitler movie with incorrect subtitles as your answer on Romney's tax returns?

Welcome to the GOP, where facts are for other people.
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Two separate posts, two separate replies.

Yes, you have it right, not-Dorian-Gray although you say you are.

:)
 
mhaze said:
Valid criticism.
In my opinion, EITHER as congressman or senator is an inferior background for P/VP as opposed to extensive business experience or governor. A governor essentially runs and manages a business. Yes, this applied to Palin, as well as Carter, and Bill Clinton (but not Hillary).

But just as when looking at resumes for a new hire, there is no one factor that predominates or which should. Overall, I think this is a great pick because it draws the line in the sand between the two candidates, what they believe, and what they think the future of the country should be.

  • If you don't like small government, fiscal responsiblity, pro business policies you couldn't have a clearer political enemy.
  • If you do like small government, fiscal responsibility, and pro business policies you couldn't have a clearer ally.

Yes, because of a lack of a decade or two of running business operations, Ryan could make mistakes. Here we get into the primary issue, which is not yet stated, and which is still quite unknown.

What kind of people would Romney/Ryan hire to advise and assist them?
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We're expected to believe that the man who voted for the Iraq war, the Bush tax cuts and the Medicare prescription bill is the "budget-slashing" VP choice? Well, that certainly makes sense. He was chosen by a man with a wide variety of positions on health care.

Slogan: Romney/Ryan 2012: No matter what your position is, we probably agree with it!

I wonder if Ryan will try for the GOP pres nomination in 2016? Biden obviously won't run after Obama's second term is up.
 
mhaze said:
Two separate posts, two separate replies.

Yes, you have it right, not-Dorian-Gray although you say you are.

:)
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Spoken like a true conservative obfuscator.

It doesn't matter that they were two separate replies to two separate posts. Either you maintained a consistent position on required level of evidence across two different posts, in which case your video clip is crap, OR you did not maintain a consistent position, in which case you have a double standard on evidence, specifically, a higher one for other people than for yourself.
 
Dorian Gray said:
We're expected to believe .....
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I wasn't aware anyone expected anything of you or the arbitrary "we".

Dorian Gray said:
Spoken like a true conservative obfuscator.

It doesn't matter that they were two separate replies to two separate posts. Either you maintained a consistent position on required level of evidence across two different posts, in which case your video clip is crap, OR you did not maintain a consistent position, in which case you have a double standard on evidence, specifically, a higher one for other people than for yourself.
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Well, it was widely, and accurately, predicted the other day that the Ryan choice would drive liberals absolutely, positively and insanely nuts. So I guess all this is expected.

AND SO inquiring minds would like to know, peering deep into the depths of the boiling cauldron:

"Is it, sir. Is it in fact a tempest in that teapot? Or does it just have the appearances in miniature of such?"
 
mhaze said:
Valid criticism.
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In the eyes of conservatives in 2008 these weren't "criticisms" they were fatal flaws individually. If they had all been combined in the one man, Fox would have been on it 36 hours a day.

mhaze said:
But just as when looking at resumes for a new hire, there is no one factor that predominates or which should. Overall, I think this is a great pick because it draws the line in the sand between the two candidates, what they believe, and what they think the future of the country should be.
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Seems to me you contradict yourself here. I've listed 5 serious deficiencies of Ryan. After saying no one factor should dominate, you ignore all the other flaws and find that "drawing a line in the sand" trumps them all. I'm getting whiplash.

And, btw, that line was already crystal clear. Ryan does nothing to sharpen it.
 
SezMe said:
In the eyes of conservatives in 2008 these weren't "criticisms" they were fatal flaws individually. If they had all been combined in the one man, Fox would have been on it 36 hours a day.


Seems to me you contradict yourself here. I've listed 5 serious deficiencies of Ryan. .....
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You mean, the deficiencies of the Bamster shouldn't be allowed in a vice president?

Gotta mull that one over a bit.
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mhaze said:
Overall, I think this is a great pick because it draws the line in the sand between the two candidates, what they believe, and what they think the future of the country should be.

  • If you don't like small government, fiscal responsiblity, pro business policies you couldn't have a clearer political enemy.
  • If you do like small government, fiscal responsibility, and pro business policies you couldn't have a clearer ally.
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There is no way and no where on planet Earth anyone typed that with a straight face.
 
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