Vote fraud in Maine?

Firestone said:
Ron Paul should care, and lodge a complaint if there is substance to the fraud claims.
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I agree. I'm not in possession of the self-reported precint data myself, but if they're accurate, then this is pretty clear evidence of vote fraud. Question is, would the JREF skeptics call the campaign paranoid if they contested the results? :confused:
 
madfoot said:
I agree. I'm not in possession of the self-reported precint data myself, but if they're accurate, then this is pretty clear evidence of vote fraud. Question is, would the JREF skeptics call the campaign paranoid if they contested the results? :confused:
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If there was evidence of error then why would anyone care if he contested them? Lot's of politicians contest results, especially when the margins are slim.
 
The character questions aside I would be interested in seeing how they collected their data.
 
There are people who still think caucuses are supposed to be fair and transparent?
 
madfoot said:
Why should the official numbers be trusted?
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Because if you're going to play the game, you have to accept the rules. The alternative to trusting the official numbers is to get out of the race for the GOP nomination.
 
madfoot said:
I agree. I'm not in possession of the self-reported precint data myself, but if they're accurate, then this is pretty clear evidence of vote fraud. Question is, would the JREF skeptics call the campaign paranoid if they contested the results? :confused:
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Based on this methodology, yes. There are plenty of studies that show data collection bias based on the opinions of the person doing the collection. (This is usually in the context of paranormal research, and the bias is between "goats" and "sheep"--believers and skeptics, respectively. There is plenty of evidence that people both sides tend to err in their own favor. )

So the fact that a group of Ron Paul supporters came up with an unofficial vote count that gave more votes to Paul than did the official count is worth. . . pretty much nothing.
 
So, basicly, the evidence comes down to some schmendrik claiming that the fringiest of the fringe candidates got screwed because he didn't get a landslide in the caucuses.
 
madfoot said:
You disagree with that claim?
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I've already made my case that the evidence you've offered is worthless.

I'm now pointing out that you have indeed made a claim, and you're attempting to get away without substantiating or defending that claim. As Chaos implied, just asking questions is a notoriously disingenuous rhetorical technique often employed by CTists.

It's a way of making a claim while denying making a claim so as to avoid having to defend or substantiate that claim.

Even your thread title is an example of this technique. Do you, or do you not think there was vote fraud in Maine? If you do, what's the evidence?
 
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