Voice-Morphing and the Passenger Calls

[nicepants]

My point is it is being developed for a nefarious reason. Very relevant to this thread.

I guess we can assume that you'd have felt the same way when lock picking kits were invented?

Voice-morphing technology isn't inherently good or bad. It's just a tool.

 

[apathoid]

apathoid, several questions, if I may.

First, how would you get out of the aircraft once you were in the avionics bay?

Second, even if the access hatch were closed, wouldn't this still depressurize the aircraft?

Third, how large is the access hatch, and how large is the opening out of the aircraft? Could a man wearing a parachute and HALO/HAHO equipment fit through?

Fourth, is there any way of having the exit close after the last man has parachuted?

Finally, is there a similar hatch on a 757?

The avionics bay access door is just aft of nose landing gear and it's exactly at the 6 o'clock position, along the keel. It's about 24 x 30 inches. The interior access hatch (the one that's just behind the cockpit door) is the same size. To get out - I usually use a ladder, but I've jumped before when no ladders or stairs for the entry doors were in sight(it's a good 6-7 feet)

The 757 avionics bay is not accessible from the cabin, short of pulling up floor boards. The access door seems slightly smaller than the 767 one, maybe 20 X24 inches or so.

I don't think you can open any doors while the plane is pressurized. Case in point, last week I was riding right seat to do an engine run and taxi. While we running, we had to do a pressurization leak check for a sheetmetal repair along the door frame for the aft bag bin. When we got to 2 psi differential pressure, I found out that my sliding window wasn't closed all the way as it audibly slammed shut. 2 psi is nothing - normally at altitude, I believe it goes upwards 7 psi differential pressure. Doing some quick math, even a small (2' X 2') exit would have the equivalent of 2 tons of pressure pushing on it from the inside at 7 PSI. You'd actually have to descend to below 8,000 to get the doors open, or depressurize the aircraft(which I'm not 100% sure is even possible due to the failsafe aneroid switches that automatically close the outflow flow if 10,000' cabin altitude is reached).

There would be no way to close the access doors, or entry doors, or any other other openings once the last man jumped.

 

[T.A.M.]

So according to phone calls from passengers, once the hijackers of AA11 entered the cockpit, they did not exit. This means they had to exit the plane from somewhere within the cockpit. You are saying the only exit point of any kind would be a 20"x24" hole, not accessable from the cockpit unless floor boards were removed. Add to this, that in order to survive the fall, they had to be wearing HALO gear, which they had to get on board, and somehow had to have available in the cockpit (did each of the 5 hijackers drag these big suits in with them at the time of the hijackings)?, and then with these suits on, had to each fit through said hole.

I take it back, this is even too ridiculous for a movie of the week.

TAM

 

[Kage]

The specific jump described in the book was indeed a training run, with no civilian passengers. But Pfarrar makes it clear he has done the same maneuver numerous times in real-life situations with real passengers on board..

He does not say that said passengers weren't aware that the cabin was open. The noise and the pain and the deployment of the oxygen masks would be a dead giveaway. This would also be recorded in the FDR. Also, how did these superwarriors get their parachutes and oxygen tanks on board? Are you implying that the airlines were in on it? Hilarious. Also, in real life, they make it so the rear access ramp as well as other exits cannot open in flight to prevent DJ Cooper wannabes from pulling the same stunt.

Who says they jumped in a metropolitan area? You're using your own imagination to fill in what you don't understand. They could have jumped in a rural area, where skyjumpers are a commonplace sight.

I live ina rural area and "skyjumpers" are not commonplace at all. People notice when people jump out of planes. Your assumption that they could make it to a rural area means that the autopilot that you are talking about would be pretty easy to install.

All in all, your theories are ridiculous.

Kage

 

[A-Train]

You'd actually have to descend to below 8,000 to get the doors open, or depressurize the aircraft(which I'm not 100% sure is even possible due to the failsafe aneroid switches that automatically close the outflow flow if 10,000' cabin altitude is reached).

There would be no way to close the access doors, or entry doors, or any other other openings once the last man jumped.

Just for the sake of argument, since you seem to know what you're talking about: what if the plane were descended to 8,000', and slowed to about 210kts. How about a jump from one of the cockpit side windows, which I'm sure you know can be opened?

Oh, and by the way, why would anyone have to close the doors after jumping?

I live in a rural area and "skyjumpers" are not commonplace at all. People notice when people jump out of planes.

I meant a specific rural area in which skyjumping is commonplace, such as near an airport where skyjumping is routine. For example, in Waseca, Minnesota there is a little airport where a company drops jumpers from a Cessna from dawn to dusk on VFR summer days. Anyone driving by that area seeing a parachute in the sky wouldn't even notice. There are thousand of such airports across the country, most of them in rural areas.

 

[pomeroo]

Just for the sake of argument, since you seem to know what you're talking about: what if the plane were descended to 8,000', and slowed to about 210kts. How about a jump from one of the cockpit side windows, which I'm sure you know can be opened?

Oh, and by the way, why would anyone have to close the doors after jumping?

I meant a specific rural area in which skyjumping is commonplace, such as near an airport where skyjumping is routine. For example, in Waseca, Minnesota there is a little airport where a company drops jumpers from a Cessna from dawn to dusk on VFR summer days. Anyone driving by that area seeing a parachute in the sky wouldn't even notice. There are thousand of such airports across the country, most of them in rural areas.

Lyte Trip shamelessly peddles utter rubbish because he is a huckster and a fraud trying to make a buck off a terrible tragedy. What is your purpose in making a complete fool of yourself?

 

[Kage]

Just for the sake of argument, since you seem to know what you're talking about: what if the plane were descended to 8,000', and slowed to about 210kts. How about a jump from one of the cockpit side windows, which I'm sure you know can be opened?

Most jumps are made at around 120 mph. I've jumped at 120 mph and 160 mph and 120 is much more comfortable. 210kts seems like it would be possible, but it would be very, very dangerous.

No skydiving techniques I know about involve jumping out in front of the wing. That would be incredibly insane. Might be possible with a high wing airplane, but not possible with the planes we are talking about. I don't know what you mean by the cockpit window, but if it isn't a hole large enough to crouch in and jump out of it no sane jumper would exit through it, at least not at 210kts.

Oh, and by the way, why would anyone have to close the doors after jumping?

They wouldn't, but it would effect the flight characteristics of the planes in question. My bigger problem is having the door rip off and fall to the ground or be seen open in any of the footage of the crashes.

I meant a specific rural area in which skyjumping is commonplace, such as near an airport where skyjumping is routine. For example, in Waseca, Minnesota there is a little airport where a company drops jumpers from a Cessna from dawn to dusk on VFR summer days. Anyone driving by that area seeing a parachute in the sky wouldn't even notice. There are thousand of such airports across the country, most of them in rural areas.

Might not be noticed by the people around the area. Would definetly be noticed by the jumpers who work at the airfield.

Kage

 

[ref]

I have put this message from Papcun on the web for easy recovery, in addition to the Kevin Ryan court documents I added there yesterday. Both can be found at http://911guide.googlepages.com/documents

If you have a recollection of any other documents/important posts, that might be buried in these threads, let me know. I'll be more than happy to put those up there as well.

 

[tsig]

Vast Conspiracy? I have no idea what you're talking about. That the names of the supposed hijackers appeared on the manifests only means that the real hijackers stole their identities, and boarded the planes under those assumed names. Or, that some patsies boarded the planes unwittingly, but did not participate in the hijackings.



It's obviously possible. Chuck Pfarrar's book proves that. Didn't you read the excerpt I linked to? How could the passengers notice anything from the back of the plane, if the hijackers bail out from the front or bottom, as did Pfarrar and his SEALS? Obviously, the technique as used by SEALS was designed not to be noticed by civilian passengers.



The planes were flown by remote navigation, such as Global Hawk. The planes may have been assisted to their targets by some kind of localizer or other homing device planted in the WTC buildings and Pentagon.



That technology has been around for at least thirty years, everyone knows that. Even Loose Change knows that.



Most people in the Arab/Muslim world don't think al-Qaeda did 9/11. They readily admit that Arabs aren't capable of such a sophisticated operation. They tried to tell us that, but we wouldn't listen.



You mean his question about remote control? I'll admit I can't describe precisely how a cockpit could be rigged for remote control in 10-15 minutes. But that doesn't mean it can't be done.

You guys are desperately fighting these ideas tooth and nail. But in the long run, you will have to admit that everything I am suggesting is eminently doable.

It is not just not doable it is not even possible.

 

[tsig]

The specific jump described in the book was indeed a training run, with no civilian passengers. But Pfarrar makes it clear he has done the same maneuver numerous times in real-life situations with real passengers on board.


Who says they jumped in a metropolitan area? You're using your own imagination to fill in what you don't understand. They could have jumped in a rural area, where skyjumpers are a commonplace sight.

Skyjumpers in sight

Afternoon delight.

Yes we see seals drop all the time.

 

[tsig]

Just curious, do you claim to know what the speed-- and altitude-- of the 9/11 planes were throughout their flights? If so, I'd like to know how you know it.

I'd like to know how you know anything?

Think gravity.

 

[MortFurd]

It is not just not doable it is not even possible.

Sure it is. All you need is Elaine Dickinson, Dorothy Gale, and Otto Pilot.

Elaine smuggles Otto and Toto onboard in her carry on luggage. Toto takes out the flight crew (fast acting rabies.) Elaine blows Otto up and gives him a walkie-talkie (for the remote control orders.) Dorothy clicks her heels together three times, and - ZAPP! - Dorothy, Elaine, and Toto are home in Kansas. No muss, no fuss.
Otto takes the fall, but hey, you can mail order blow up dolls.

 

[Stellafane]

Sure it is. All you need is Elaine Dickinson, Dorothy Gale, and Otto Pilot.

Elaine smuggles Otto and Toto onboard in her carry on luggage. Toto takes out the flight crew (fast acting rabies.) Elaine blows Otto up and gives him a walkie-talkie (for the remote control orders.) Dorothy clicks her heels together three times, and - ZAPP! - Dorothy, Elaine, and Toto are home in Kansas. No muss, no fuss.
Otto takes the fall, but hey, you can mail order blow up dolls.

I'm leaning towards the hijackers escaping via a Star Trek transporter beam myself.

 

[T.A.M.]

A-Train:

Why not just admit that your theory has been destroyed. You can keep asking "well what if" this, and "But how about" that, it just makes you look more desperate. The idea of special ops taking over the plane, setting up auto or remote control, and then "getting out" safely, in light of all that we know about the speed and altitude of the plane based on the FDR data, is just ridiculous, and I think you now are beginning to see how highly improbable, if not near impossible it would be.

TAM

 

[apathoid]

Just for the sake of argument, since you seem to know what you're talking about: what if the plane were descended to 8,000', and slowed to about 210kts. How about a jump from one of the cockpit side windows, which I'm sure you know can be opened?

I guess it's possible, but I don't think it'd be a terribly good idea. I'd think the safest place to escape from would be the overwing hatches - but they couldn't very well do that with the passengers watching.

Oh, and by the way, why would anyone have to close the doors after jumping?

Well, if they wanted to keep the plane intact prior to the planned high speed, 550 mph impact - having the exits closed would be a must.

 

[T.A.M.]

Why are we even entertaining this ridiculous theory.

ok, I have one,

Lets say there were little green leprachauns aboard...could they have done it.

Sounds silly, but how much more silly is it than what A-Train has proposed, and then adjusted as we tear it apart.

Now despite all the evidence that would suggest otherwise, he is proposing that the plane was lowered to 8000 feet (radar data suggests otherwise) and 120 knots (no evidence of this), and then the hijackers, from the cockpit (as they were never seen to exit it, once they went in) dawned their halo suits and jumped out the cockpit windows...

OMG

TAM

 

[slyjoe]

A little off topic (come to think of it, it is actually on topic) -

Does anyone know what voice codec was used on the Airfones?

 

[T.A.M.]

i have no idea, but please elaborate as to the relevence of it, if you have a theory or inquiry one way or the other...thanks

TAM

 

[slyjoe]

No, no real theory, just curiosity. I have always wondered where the CTers think the voices were morphed (on the plane, at the Airfone reception center, in some dark NWO lab, etc) and who sent these transmissions to the recipients' homes. I would think, based on which codec was used, you might be able to tell what post processing has been done on the voice.

 

[uk_dave]

We have good evidence from the phone calls that the Method of Operation on the flights was to herd the passengers to the back of the plane, and keep them there with some kind of mace or noxious gas placed in the plane's midsection. From that viewpoint, how would the passengers know what the hijackers are doing in the front and/or bottom of the plane?

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/arff/arff767.pdf

Would that be the 'smoke' witnessed on flight 93?