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VisionFromFeeling - General discussion thread

I think I just had a hypnopompic hallucination a few nights ago. I woke up after hearing three sharp knocks on a door in the middle of the night. No one was there, though, but these knocks presented themselves to me *exactly* in the same way as three real knocks on a door wood, as far as I could tell. It was the most amazingly perfect, equal-to-reality-in-every-sense-except-it-wasn't-real hallucination.

If I'm credulous, I could make up all sorts of stories based on the knocks being real, none of which would be as likely as the knocks not being real, despite all appearances.

Moral: appearances can be deceiving.
 
By using a narrative based on existing scientific knowledge to explain her super powers she has taken the hard road. With something like divine inspiration or chi she could pretty much say anything she liked without being called to account for her misconceptions and inconstancies.

But as I think someone else said here, this kind of farting around is a bit like dreaming of how to spend your lotto winnings before you’ve actually won. She has yet to demonstrate in repeatable rigorous tests that she actually has such extraordinary powers.

I keep coming back for the mental gymnastics and to learn from the posts of others.


Vision from Feeling clings to the 'Science Student' tag as tenaciously as she does to the 'Paranormal Claimant' one. I've pretty much always thought that bifurcation was the strangest aspect of her approach.

It's almost unbelievable that she can't see how her efforts in support of both of these personæ are diametrically opposed.
 
By using a narrative based on existing scientific knowledge to explain her super powers she has taken the hard road. With something like divine inspiration or chi she could pretty much say anything she liked without being called to account for her misconceptions and inconstancies.

But as I think someone else said here, this kind of farting around is a bit like dreaming of how to spend your lotto winnings before you’ve actually won. She has yet to demonstrate in repeatable rigorous tests that she actually has such extraordinary powers.

I keep coming back for the mental gymnastics and to learn from the posts of others.

A bright person with internet access can relatively easily collect some relevant material with which to impress the lay public. It's a bit more difficult when the audience might include the actual authors of the material.

I'm still, however, uncertain as to VfF's motivation in pursuing this fairly obvious fantasy. I'll continue to watch with interest.


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<snip>Like say math and physics? You think this is a coincidence? I don't. If she's holding a 3.9 in her 3rd year of physics (I don't even want to go into the details of the "F" she did or didn't get) and manages to keep up this VFF thing, she's probably pretty good at subjects that most people find impossible. <snip>

Or not. Anita isn't holding a 3.9. At least, she was not listed on the Chancellor's List or the Dean's List for the spring 2009 semester.

Her 4.0 appears to have been a one off, and not a consistent GPA, since she appeared on the Chancellor's List only once, for the spring semester of 2008. (If I'm wrong about that, I'll gladly stand corrected, but I haven't found evidence to the contrary.)

As Ness36 and several others have proven over the past year, her grasp of certain scientific principles - including some very basic ones - appears to be tenuous at best, and non existent at worst.

Incidentally, she is in her 4th year of undergraduate school, not her 3rd.
 
Or not. Anita isn't holding a 3.9. At least, she was not listed on the Chancellor's List or the Dean's List for the spring 2009 semester.

Her 4.0 appears to have been a one off, and not a consistent GPA, since she appeared on the Chancellor's List only once, for the spring semester of 2008. (If I'm wrong about that, I'll gladly stand corrected, but I haven't found evidence to the contrary.)

As Ness36 and several others have proven over the past year, her grasp of certain scientific principles - including some very basic ones - appears to be tenuous at best, and non existent at worst.

Incidentally, she is in her 4th year of undergraduate school, not her 3rd.


As of right now? I probably read an old post.She's 28, that's strange as well. I was 21 when I went and I felt a little old. Most of the students in the Physics program were fresh out of high school. It's not usually a program you decide to go back to school for after working at Wal Mart for a few years.
 
As of right now? I probably read an old post.She's 28, that's strange as well. I was 21 when I went and I felt a little old. Most of the students in the Physics program were fresh out of high school. It's not usually a program you decide to go back to school for after working at Wal Mart for a few years.

Right now, she's completing the fall semester of her 4th year, and just turned 27...but I agree, that is older than one would expect for a physics undergrad. In fairness, though, there could be a number of plausible reasons for that: finances, university placement, the student visa process, etc.

She did note once that she originally came to the US for college specifically to study osteopathic medicine, not physics. She didn't elaborate as to why she changed her major.
 
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Right now, she's completing the fall semester of her 4th year, and just turned 27...but I agree, that is older than one would expect for a physics undergrad. In fairness, though, there could be a number of plausible reasons for that: finances, university placement, the student visa process, etc.

She did note once that she originally came to the US for college specifically to study osteopathic medicine, not physics. She didn't elaborate as to why she changed her major.

It seemed to me that she spoke English like someone who was born and bred in the U.S. How long has she been there?


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It seemed to me that she spoke English like someone who was born and bred in the U.S. How long has she been there?
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I noticed that, as well. As far as I know, Anita came to the US four years ago, to begin college. If she's been here even longer than that, she hasn't noted it anywhere.
 
Lots of Scandinavians speak scarily perfect English. I have a Danish friend who keeps correcting my grammar.
 
Lots of Scandinavians speak scarily perfect English. I have a Danish friend who keeps correcting my grammar.

Well, in that regard, I expected that Anita's English grammar would be excellent, since it always has been in her posts here. It was her 'Americanized' accent that was surprising.
 
It seemed to me that she spoke English like someone who was born and bred in the U.S. How long has she been there?

We went through this once before. I have a lot of first-hand experience with European-born immigrants with English as a second language (including my wife). She speaks and writes pretty much like I expect including some odd usages such as saying she would "portray" her abilities to the audience. It's subtle, but it's there.
 
We went through this once before. I have a lot of first-hand experience with European-born immigrants with English as a second language (including my wife). She speaks and writes pretty much like I expect including some odd usages such as saying she would "portray" her abilities to the audience. It's subtle, but it's there.

I didn't intend to imply that I believe Anita has been dishonest about how long she has been in the USA. I simply meant that her accent surprised me. :)
 
As of right now? I probably read an old post.She's 28, that's strange as well. I was 21 when I went and I felt a little old. Most of the students in the Physics program were fresh out of high school. It's not usually a program you decide to go back to school for after working at Wal Mart for a few years.
First of all I am 27, not that that matters. Here's my life's story:

I struggled in junior high school because of various reasons. I was bullied and also I was understimulated because I learned too quickly and was bored. I attended only a couple of weeks of 7th grade, and none of 8th and 9th. I then received a letter about an opportunity to study a make-up year to get my junior high school diploma, and I took the opportunity. In one year I caught up with three years of school and made excellent grades. Teachers were so impressed they arranged for me to get a scholarship.

In Sweden we apply with junior high grades to senior high and senior high is offered as several distinct programs that focus on a subject area. I chose business and administration and studied that for three years. I did really well and made great grades. Because of the extra year I graduated at age 19.

I then didn't know what to do with my life. I hadn't found that one special thing I was passionate about. And rather than choosing at random, and that would have landed me at architecture or marketing perhaps, I chose to take additional high school level courses and did some science. I did that for a few years. I struggled with math and I failed physics the first time I took it and I made a C and then took it again and made a B. It was difficult.

I then begun working at a nursing home for a few years and became interested in medicine. But there were things in medicine I didn't like, such as misdiagnosis, side-effects of medicines, and other things that were imperfect. I then discovered osteopathic medicine which seemed more promising. So I was about 22 years when I found my passion, osteopathic medicine. I then worked an additional year to save up the money to attend college overseas.

I was 23 when I started my undergraduate degree, pre-medicine and B.S. Chemistry. I am now 27 and doing my fourth year. I had a physics course that is part of the chemistry degree and fell in love with physics and added a second degree in physics and am now headed toward physics instead, which I love even more than medicine. And because of two majors, it will take me five years to graduate from the undergraduate level.

I will be 28 when I graduate with my two undergraduate B.S. degrees.
30 when I graduate with a M.S. degree.
35 when I graduate with a Ph.D.

Actually I am not the only older Physics student. And I would not have done as well if I were younger, because back then I hadn't discovered my passion for physics, and you need a little bit of love to excel at something. And so far I make all A's (except when a professor hits me with papers and I stop attending that class because I stay away from bullying).

So I haven't worked at Wal Mart. It was a nursing home. And I don't think any of this is strange at all.

It seemed to me that she spoke English like someone who was born and bred in the U.S. How long has she been there?
Wow, thank you. I pick up accents well, but now that I call Sweden they say I have an American accent and I use American syntax. I've been here three years.
 
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I was 23 when I started my undergraduate degree, pre-medicine and B.S. Chemistry. I am now 27 and doing my fourth year. I had a physics course that is part of the chemistry degree and fell in love with physics and added a second degree in physics and am now headed toward physics instead, which I love even more than medicine. And because of two majors, it will take me five years to graduate from the undergraduate level.

I will be 28 when I graduate with my two undergraduate B.S. degrees.
30 when I graduate with a M.S. degree.
35 when I graduate with a Ph.D.

You've been saying for months that you were headed for a degree in conventional medicine. What changed your mind all of a sudden?
 
I was 23 when I started my undergraduate degree... snip... I am now 27 and doing my fourth year.
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I've been here three years.

Um, you didn't have to go this far to prove you're not very good at math. ;)

edit: I suppose this works if you're born in September, October or November. My bad :(

I was just hypothesizing why you have this need to try and prove some absurd claim that you see into people, when clearly, you do not. I'm not saying you don't see things of "feel" things, I'm just saying you're associating them with some sort of mysticism that just doesn't fit the profile of a scientist. Your Vision From Feeling is nothing more than random guesses. Sorry.

As for the Wal Mart remark, it wasn't about you. It was just a general lament on people returning to school. From your account, you're only a couple of years behind. Not a big deal, but it's actually much more unusual than your claimed ability. Er, sorry, your demonstrated ability.
 
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I am now 27 and doing my fourth year.
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I've been here three years.
Um, you didn't have to go this far to prove you're not very good at math. ;)
Phew............. I started college in August 2006 and then I was 23. October came, and I turned 24......... In August 2007 I started my second year... another October, 25..... August 2008 started third year... October, turned 26............... August 2009 was a few months ago.... another October, turned 27.......... November now, doing my first semester of the fourth year..... two weeks left......... still 27.

I was just hypothesizing why you have this need to try and prove some absurd claim that you see into people, when clearly, you do not. I'm not saying you don't see things of "feel" things, I'm just saying you're associating them with some sort of mysticism that just doesn't fit the profile of a scientist. Your Vision From Feeling is nothing more than random guesses. Sorry.
Unfortunately I have other data that I can't share with you because I did not record them in a way that would make them official. There is an interesting experience and it is still under investigation. Sorry.
 
Phew............. I started college in August 2006 and then I was 23. October came, and I turned 24......... In August 2007 I started my second year... another October, 25..... August 2008 started third year... October, turned 26............... August 2009 was a few months ago.... another October, turned 27.......... November now, doing my first semester of the fourth year..... two weeks left......... still 27.

Unfortunately I have other data that I can't share with you because I did not record them in a way that would make them official. There is an interesting experience and it is still under investigation. Sorry.

lol, I caught that about a minute after I posted it. Happy belated Birthday. :D

What other data? It sounds like you are suggesting you made a bunch of "predictions" and only remember or recorded perhpas, the ones you got right.
 
I think you would go well on the telly with your ghost hunting show.
Actually, I might. But only to debunk the whole thing, if I can. Would be fun. For someone who genuinely experiences seeing, feeling, and communicating with ghosts, I think it would be a wonderful contribution to skepticism for me to go out there and falsify that experience and find some rational explanation. Or just to prove that it's nonsense. If it is nonsense. So I just might.
 
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For someone who genuinely experiences seeing, feeling, and communicating with ghosts, I think it would be a wonderful contribution to skepticism for me to go out there and falsify that experience and find some rational explanation.
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Except that you don't "experience seeing, feeling, and communicating with ghosts," as your abortive attempt to describe Ben Franklin demonstrates.

IOW, the claim *has* been falsified and shown to be nonsense. No show required.
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