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Visa express program: Just another coincidence?

busherie

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Well, here is a program that will just be another coincidence for you guys:

--> Only for Saudi Arbabia
--> from may 2001 to 2002
--> KSM used it to enter the US
--> The system was "blinking red"

So? No.... Just a lack of coordination between the agencies, of course. Don't be fools!

May 2001: Hijackers Take Advantage of New, Anonymous Visa Express Procedure

 The US introduces the “Visa Express” program in Saudi Arabia, which allows any Saudi Arabian to obtain a visa through his or her travel agent instead of appearing at a consulate in person. An official later states, “The issuing officer has no idea whether the person applying for the visa is actually the person in the documents and application.” [US News and World Report, 12/12/2001; US Congress, 9/20/2002]

At the time, warnings of an attack against the US led by the Saudi Osama bin Laden are higher than they had ever been before— “off the charts” as one senator later puts it. [Los Angeles Times, 5/18/2002; US Congress, 9/18/2002]

A terrorism conference had recently concluded that Saudi Arabia was one of four top nationalities in al-Qaeda. [Star-Tribune (Minneapolis), 5/19/2002] Five hijackers—Khalid Almihdhar, Abdulaziz Alomari, Salem Alhazmi, Saeed Alghamdi, and Fayez Ahmed Banihammad—use Visa Express over the next month to enter the US. [US Congress, 9/20/2002]

Even 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will successfully get a US Visa through this program in July (using a false name but real photograph), despite a posted $2 million reward for his capture. [Los Angeles Times, 1/27/2004]

Only three percent of Saudi visa applicants are turned down by US consular officers in fiscal 2000 and 2001. In contrast, about 25 percent of US visa seekers worldwide are rejected. Acceptance is even more difficult for applicants from countries alleged to have ties to terrorism such as Iraq or Iran. [Washington Post, 10/31/2001] The widely criticized program is finally canceled in July 2002.




Any thoughts, dear debunkers?









 
what? just another whole in are very laxed security and customs that these terrorists took advantage of.

no surprise here.
 
The US government tries to cozy up to the Saudis by giving them preferred access, and it costs them dearly. Big surprise. Why wouldn't the terrorists try to take advantage of the system, since it existed?

If the NWO or whoever really did want to give visas to these guys, why use a big fancy public system to do it? Why not just route some documents to them through third party connections? Why leave a public paper trail? Why leave a public paper trail that makes you look like idiots?
 
busherie said:
Well, here is a program that will just be another coincidence for you guys:

--> Only for Saudi Arbabia
--> from may 2001 to 2002
--> KSM used it to enter the US
--> The system was "blinking red"

So? No.... Just a lack of coordination between the agencies, of course. Don't be fools!

May 2001: Hijackers Take Advantage of New, Anonymous Visa Express Procedure

 The US introduces the “Visa Express” program in Saudi Arabia, which allows any Saudi Arabian to obtain a visa through his or her travel agent instead of appearing at a consulate in person. An official later states, “The issuing officer has no idea whether the person applying for the visa is actually the person in the documents and application.” [US News and World Report, 12/12/2001; US Congress, 9/20/2002]

At the time, warnings of an attack against the US led by the Saudi Osama bin Laden are higher than they had ever been before— “off the charts” as one senator later puts it. [Los Angeles Times, 5/18/2002; US Congress, 9/18/2002]

A terrorism conference had recently concluded that Saudi Arabia was one of four top nationalities in al-Qaeda. [Star-Tribune (Minneapolis), 5/19/2002] Five hijackers—Khalid Almihdhar, Abdulaziz Alomari, Salem Alhazmi, Saeed Alghamdi, and Fayez Ahmed Banihammad—use Visa Express over the next month to enter the US. [US Congress, 9/20/2002]

Even 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will successfully get a US Visa through this program in July (using a false name but real photograph), despite a posted $2 million reward for his capture. [Los Angeles Times, 1/27/2004]

Only three percent of Saudi visa applicants are turned down by US consular officers in fiscal 2000 and 2001. In contrast, about 25 percent of US visa seekers worldwide are rejected. Acceptance is even more difficult for applicants from countries alleged to have ties to terrorism such as Iraq or Iran. [Washington Post, 10/31/2001] The widely criticized program is finally canceled in July 2002.




Any thoughts, dear debunkers?
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Do you have any idea what the program was aimed to do and why it was thought necessary? Wouldn't it be smart to read up on that bEFORE you make a childish ASSumption?
 
how did the interest rate compare to master card? and did they use the visa to buy Richard Reid's shoes? because everyone knows cave men only wear sandals.
 
Many of the hijackers were in country prior to May 2001.

This "coincidence" of yours is, therefore, unnecessary. Thus, if it isn't a coincidence, its existence is a clumsy, idiotic giveaway. This illustrates Perry's Principle nicely.

In other words, it's just a coincidence.
 
Horatius said:
If the NWO or whoever really did want to give visas to these guys, why use a big fancy public system to do it? Why not just route some documents to them through third party connections? Why leave a public paper trail? Why leave a public paper trail that makes you look like idiots?
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My friend, since they were to find out who did the attacks, questions would be raised about how they got to the US, where they got their visa. At the same time, the terrorists had to be able to come to the US.

So setting up this system was the less stupid solution.

Of course, as I thought, this is just another "coincidence", showing how "laxist the system was".

Of course.
 
busherie said:
My friend, since they were to find out who did the attacks, questions would be raised about how they got to the US, where they got their visa. At the same time, the terrorists had to be able to come to the US.

So setting up this system was the less stupid solution.

Of course, as I thought, this is just another "coincidence", showing how "laxist the system was".

Of course.
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Why did you skip over my comment? Is it uncomfortable so you ignore it in the hopes that it will go away?
 
busherie said:
Well, here is a program that will just be another coincidence for you guys:

--> Only for Saudi Arbabia
--> from may 2001 to 2002
--> KSM used it to enter the US
--> The system was "blinking red"

So? No.... Just a lack of coordination between the agencies, of course. Don't be fools!

May 2001: Hijackers Take Advantage of New, Anonymous Visa Express Procedure

 The US introduces the “Visa Express” program in Saudi Arabia, which allows any Saudi Arabian to obtain a visa through his or her travel agent instead of appearing at a consulate in person. An official later states, “The issuing officer has no idea whether the person applying for the visa is actually the person in the documents and application.” [US News and World Report, 12/12/2001; US Congress, 9/20/2002]

At the time, warnings of an attack against the US led by the Saudi Osama bin Laden are higher than they had ever been before— “off the charts” as one senator later puts it. [Los Angeles Times, 5/18/2002; US Congress, 9/18/2002]

A terrorism conference had recently concluded that Saudi Arabia was one of four top nationalities in al-Qaeda. [Star-Tribune (Minneapolis), 5/19/2002] Five hijackers—Khalid Almihdhar, Abdulaziz Alomari, Salem Alhazmi, Saeed Alghamdi, and Fayez Ahmed Banihammad—use Visa Express over the next month to enter the US. [US Congress, 9/20/2002]

Even 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will successfully get a US Visa through this program in July (using a false name but real photograph), despite a posted $2 million reward for his capture. [Los Angeles Times, 1/27/2004]

Only three percent of Saudi visa applicants are turned down by US consular officers in fiscal 2000 and 2001. In contrast, about 25 percent of US visa seekers worldwide are rejected. Acceptance is even more difficult for applicants from countries alleged to have ties to terrorism such as Iraq or Iran. [Washington Post, 10/31/2001] The widely criticized program is finally canceled in July 2002.




Any thoughts, dear debunkers?
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3 of the 19 hijackers used the Visa Express program.

Also did you read the artice you cited? If you did then why did you say "Only for Saudi Arabia"?

[FONT=ARIAL, HELVETICA][SIZE=-2][FONT=ARIAL, HELVETICA][SIZE=-1]The State Department has tightened visa procedures, though Visa Express and similar programs in other countries remain in place.[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
 
~enigma~ said:
Do you have any idea what the program was aimed to do and why it was thought necessary? Wouldn't it be smart to read up on that bEFORE you make a childish ASSumption?
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Oh , I know: "facilitate" workers and tourists immigration.

In may 2001? For Saudi Arabia only?

Some were in the States already, yes. But for LIHOP theorists the US did not know very precisely if terrorists were there or not (who was there, and where). What they very precisely knew, however, is that the system was blinking red, and attacks would allow the now ready administration to go on with their agenda. OBL "was determined to strike in US".

Setting up the visa express program was part of making the attacks very very likely (if they could be more likely!)

Busherie
 
Busherie...the question isn't going to disappear. Here you go...

Do you have any idea what the program was aimed to do and why it was thought necessary? Wouldn't it be smart to read up on that bEFORE you make a childish ASSumption?
 
Earth calling busherie...are you alive? Are you going to answer or are you going to run like a woo?
 
Redtail said:
3 of the 19 hijackers used the Visa Express program.

Also did you read the artice you cited? If you did then why did you say "Only for Saudi Arabia"?

[FONT=ARIAL, HELVETICA][SIZE=-2][FONT=ARIAL, HELVETICA][SIZE=-1]The State Department has tightened visa procedures, though Visa Express and similar programs in other countries remain in place.[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
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I maintain: it was the first time the program was fully implemented. They were partial programes in other countries, true.

Let's see, let's choose a country to start this band new program... Saudia Arabia? yeah!

"Partial versions of Visa Express—though not by that name—were implemented in various countries in the mid- to late-1990s. But nowhere in the world had State launched a program whereby all residents, citizens and non-citizens alike, would be expected to submit visa applications to local, private travel agencies. It was a bold—and untested—plan. Yet State chose to try out this ambitious project in a nation that was a known hotbed of al Qaeda extremists. To be fair, most Americans were not thinking about national security in late 2000 and early 2001, but State should have been. That’s its job. Khobar Towers, the U.S. military dormitory, had been attacked by Hezbollah terrorists in 1996, killing nineteen U.S. soldiers, and wounding 372. And State had ample information that al Qaeda was fully operational inside Saudi Arabia. Yet State went ahead in that environment with plans to launch its first nationwide Visa Express program."

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/...or_saudi_terrorists--startling_new_revelation
 
Coward...can't you answer a simple question? BTW, how wide is the yellow stripe on your back?
 
busherie said:
Oh , I know: "facilitate" workers and tourists immigration.

In may 2001? For Saudi Arabia only?

Some were in the States already, yes. But for LIHOP theorists the US did not know very precisely if terrorists were there or not (who was there, and where). What they very precisely knew, however, is that the system was blinking red, and attacks would allow the now ready administration to go on with their agenda. OBL "was determined to strike in US".

Setting up the visa express program was part of making the attacks very very likely (if they could be more likely!)

Busherie
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I did, 10 minutes ago! You may not agree, but I did... If you have better explanatio, i'd love to read it!

Busherie
 
busherie said:
I maintain: it was the first time the program was fully implemented. They were partial programes in other countries, true.

Let's see, let's choose a country to start this band new program... Saudia Arabia? yeah!

"Partial versions of Visa Express—though not by that name—were implemented in various countries in the mid- to late-1990s. But nowhere in the world had State launched a program whereby all residents, citizens and non-citizens alike, would be expected to submit visa applications to local, private travel agencies. It was a bold—and untested—plan. Yet State chose to try out this ambitious project in a nation that was a known hotbed of al Qaeda extremists. To be fair, most Americans were not thinking about national security in late 2000 and early 2001, but State should have been. That’s its job. Khobar Towers, the U.S. military dormitory, had been attacked by Hezbollah terrorists in 1996, killing nineteen U.S. soldiers, and wounding 372. And State had ample information that al Qaeda was fully operational inside Saudi Arabia. Yet State went ahead in that environment with plans to launch its first nationwide Visa Express program."

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/...or_saudi_terrorists--startling_new_revelation
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But you chose to say "Only in Saudi Arabria". Well it does sound better than many countries including Saudi Arabia.

Now then, about the fact that 3 of the 19 Hijackers used the program?
(I can wait until after you address enigma's question.)
 
Redtail said:
But you chose to say "Only in Saudi Arabria". Well it does sound better than many countries including Saudi Arabia.

Now then, about the fact that 3 of the 19 Hijackers used the program?
(I can wait until after you address enigma's question.)
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I think the source is pretty clear:

Only in Saudi Arabia did the State department implemented the Visa express program. Yes, partial versions of this type of procedure had been implemented, but never on this scale:

Partial versions of Visa Express—though not by that name—were implemented in various countries in the mid- to late-1990s. But nowhere in the world had State launched a program whereby all residents, citizens and non-citizens alike, would be expected to submit visa applications to local, private travel agencies

It is fair to say that the Visa express program was implemented in Saudi Arabia only.

As for Enigma question, I think I have been clear enough, though i don't pretend to know the truth:

the aim was, officially of course, to facilitate tourist and workers coming to the USA. The principle is simple: it was anonymous, you could apply in a travel agency. To me, that sounds like:

"Terrorists wanted!"

As I said before, many of the 9/11 terrorists were there at that time, but the intelligence agencies did not know precisely who was in the US who was not. However, what noone can deny is that the State departement was fully aware attacks were more and more likely.

Implementing this program, in Saudi Arabia: that's where OBL comes from!

Now I wait for your answers to this question:

Is it just another coincidence?
 
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