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Split Thread Virginia Guiffre v Duke of York

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Split from here. Please keep this thread focused on the civil case of Giuffre v Duke of York; there are other threads for matters such as Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, the institution of royalty and the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.
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Judge Lewis Kaplan has at last issued his decision, and the case goes ahead.

In explaining why he rejected Andrew’s motion to dismiss, Manhattan federal court judge Lewis Kaplan said it was premature to consider the prince’s efforts to cast doubt on Giuffre’s accusations.

He pointed out that this push for dismissal largely relied on the royal’s claims that Giuffre’s complaint was legally insufficient, which, in turn, were rooted in Andrew’s discussion of the 2009 agreement.

Kaplain said: “The law prohibits the court from considering, at this stage of the proceedings, the defendant’s efforts to cast doubt on the truth of Ms Giuffre’s allegations, even though his efforts would be permissible at trial.”

He continued: “In a similar vein and for similar reasons, it is not open to the court now to decide, as a matter of fact, just what the parties to the release in the 2009 settlement agreement signed by Ms Giuffre and Jeffrey Epstein actually meant.

“The court’s job at this juncture is simply to determine whether there are two or more reasonable interpretations of that document. If there are, the determination of the ‘right’ or controlling interpretation must await further proceedings.”
GUARDIAN

I am getting the popcorn in.
 
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The Kaplan verdict document in full (46 pages) can be read here:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21177513-andrewfailstodismissordericp

Prince Andrew using Ghislaine Maxwell as a human shield against Jeffrey Epstein's crimes, and then Epstein's deal itself with Virginia Giuffre, illustrates how badly impaired his judgment is. He really thought if he ignored it, it would go away. Maybe in the UK it would have and that is where he underestimated the US lawyers.
 
I think the mystery is solved.

Although the Guardian story claims the photograph was sent by text, which I consider near impossible for the time, the Daily Mail, which got the interview says Giuffre showed Andriano the infamous photograph when she was back in Florida and the only thing sent by text was her saying she was in London at the time meeting Prince Andrew.

Anyway, sorry about that. It raised red flags for me, but it turns out it was a red herring after all. I blame the Grauniad but I really should have tracked down the initial report from the apparently more sensible, on this occasion, Daily Mail (which for once did not Fail).

Coming back to Andriano, isn't the important part of her story that she can testify to an early statement that Giuffre had sex with Andrew well before any litigation was in motion?
 
Wrt Windsor, he finally settled his debts to Isabelle de Rouvre also, after eight years. I suspect the "chalet" will be sold soon. His behaviour in that, purely commercial, matter was disgraceful.
 
Given the current news about Prince Andrew (stripped of titles) I'd guess this trial isn't going forward, it will get settled. Might be time to debate whether the settlement will include an admission/apology of some kind.
 
Given the current news about Prince Andrew (stripped of titles) I'd guess this trial isn't going forward, it will get settled. Might be time to debate whether the settlement will include an admission/apology of some kind.

Almost certainly won't. Minimizing reputational harm is one of the main reasons settlements occur.

A public announcement of a settlement would be pretty damning, but admitting wrongdoing explicitly would be far worse.
 
Wrt Windsor, he finally settled his debts to Isabelle de Rouvre also, after eight years. I suspect the "chalet" will be sold soon. His behaviour in that, purely commercial, matter was disgraceful.

By every measure he is "disgraceful".
 
Almost certainly won't. Minimizing reputational harm is one of the main reasons settlements occur.

A public announcement of a settlement would be pretty damning, but admitting wrongdoing explicitly would be far worse.

Multiple commentators have said Giuffre won't accept a settlement. After being accused of lying, she wants her day in court and a verdict in her favor. I suspect if there was to be a settlement, it would have to include a public admission of guilt, which Andrew wouldn't be likely to accept.
 
Mom is not amused.
LONDON — Buckingham Palace announced Thursday that “with the Queen’s approval and agreement,” all of Prince Andrew’s military affiliations and remaining royal patronages have been returned — a devastating blow for Elizabeth II’s second son, who is facing a U.S. civil lawsuit that accuses him of having sex with a teenager trafficked by disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.

Andrew, who denies the lawsuit allegations, has been mostly out of the public eye for the past year, and many organizations distanced themselves from him after he defended his relationship with Epstein in a disastrous 2019 BBC interview. But he had retained his honorary military titles with multiple British regiments. And the Buckingham Palace website had listed dozens and dozens of schools, hospitals and clubs with which he was still associated — including the Army Officers’ Golfing Society, the Fly Navy Heritage Trust, the Foundation for Liver Research and the elite Westminster Academy.

Thursday’s decision means the former Navy pilot and divorced father of two adult daughters is now facing his accuser alone, without the backing of the palace and without the shield of honors his lifelong protector — his mother and his queen — had bestowed upon him.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/13/prince-andrew-military-patronages/
 
Still a Duke.

I mean, in some ways he encapsulates the values of the modern monarchy, so it's not too surprising.
 
Still a Duke.

I know there have been a few instances of members of the royal family formally giving up their hereditary royal title and privileges. Now I'm wondering how often in English/British/UKian history a royal has been stripped of that hereditary rank, regardless of the perfidy of their crimes. Is there any provision in law or custom to chop a rightful heir out of the line of succession that way? Other than the literal "chopping them out" of the running, I mean.
 
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Multiple commentators have said Giuffre won't accept a settlement. After being accused of lying, she wants her day in court and a verdict in her favor. I suspect if there was to be a settlement, it would have to include a public admission of guilt, which Andrew wouldn't be likely to accept.

How much cash does he have? Giuffre wins without an admission of guilt.
More cash might work wonders.
 
How much cash does he have? Giuffre wins without an admission of guilt.
More cash might work wonders.
Not a lot. Mummy has been paying a lot of his bills, and I think that's going to stop now. He's selling a chalet in Switzerland in order to get some readies, and he had to be sued to make the final payments on that property. I don't know if he'd have paid yet if he hadn't needed to sell it.
 
I know there have been a few instances of members of the royal family formally giving up their hereditary royal title and privileges. Now I'm wondering how often in English/British/UKian history a royal has been stripped of that hereditary rank, regardless of the perfidy of their crimes. Is there any provision in law or custom to chop a rightful heir out of the line of succession that way? Other than the literal "chopping them out" of the running, I mean.

I don't know that anyone has been removed from the line of succession punitively. It hasn't happened to Andy yet, either. He's lost his HRH, but he's still a Prince, and a Duke.


He will retain his military rank of Vice Admiral and remains in the line of succession to the throne.

And then it was reported, via a royal source quoted by the Press Association, that Andrew will no longer use the style “His Royal Highness” in any official capacity

“Losing the HRH style would be the most emotionally damaging because he was born a royal highness,” the source said.
 

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