Moderated Views on George Galloway.

[NWO Sentryman]

Yes, he said guns, not "weapons systems".

If you want evidence of guns, then I can show that (and stop being so pedantic)




Because they were there first, they had a mixture.

A report by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute concludes that between 1973 and 1991, the United States of America gave 0.5% of saddam's hardware (presumably the unarmed hueys) and the Soviet Union gave 57% of saddam's hardware with China givign 12% and France 13%

 

[Zeuzzz]

So galloway was right about that one, as stated under oath.

Next.

 

[portlandatheist]

So galloway was right about that one, as stated under oath.

Next.

Technically correct but it is still very misleading. Just like its technically correct that the US found WMD's in Iraq after then invasion but it is misleading to characterize those finds as meaningful.

 

[Zeuzzz]

Just like its technically correct that the US found WMD's in Iraq after then invasion but it is misleading to characterize those finds as meaningful.

They did? I must have missed this, what were they? Evidence?

.... They weren't WMD's from brought by Sadam from the west were they?! Now that would've been very embarressing for Tony or George.

 

[Zeuzzz]

He makes me laugh so hard when he wins all his debates. This is probably the best short compilation clip of a him winning debates:

 

[portlandatheist]

They did? I must have missed this, what were they? Evidence?

.... They weren't WMD's from brought by Sadam from the west were they?! Now that would've been very embarressing for Tony or George.

A small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions were discovered by the Iraq Survey Group. I think they were stored improperly and were essentially useless as weapons. There was also a IED that had nerve gas in it that was used against US troops.

 

[Zeuzzz]

A small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions were discovered by the Iraq Survey Group. I think they were stored improperly and were essentially useless as weapons. There was also a IED that had nerve gas in it that was used against US troops.

But we are still in agreement that the claims made for the reasons to go to war were all, as galloway says, "A pack of lies", right? So the claims made before the war of WMD's were pretty much just lies?

The whole 30 minute attack thing, and Sadam having huge stockpiles and wanting to attack us, etc.

 

[portlandatheist]

But we are still in agreement that the claims made for the reasons to go to war were all, as galloway says, "A pack of lies", right? So the claims made before the war of WMD's were pretty much just lies?

The whole 30 minute attack thing, and Sadam having huge stockpiles and wanting to attack us, etc.

Perhaps I used a bad analogy because you are missing the point. George Galloway was disingenuous, to say the least, when speaking about US supplying Iraq.

 

[Zeuzzz]

Perhaps I used a bad analogy because you are missing the point. George Galloway was disingenuous, to say the least, when speaking about US supplying Iraq.

But factually accurate, none-the-less.

 

[Skeptic]

I do with people will make up their mind.

1). If Saddam is a brave fighter for his country's independence against evil US imperialism (like Galloway claims), you can't at the same time blame the USA for arming him.

2). If the USA is evil for arming Saddam with 0.5% of his weapons, the USSR is 100 times as evil for arming him with 50% or more of those weapons. Yet somehow the paradise of the workers is never blamed; it's always the "evil USA arm dealers".

 

[Pardalis]

Glad to have you back Skeptic. Always a refreshment of logic.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Hmm..

 

[Zeuzzz]

Tony Benn, another legend.



And supporting the right for people to defend themselves is a completely different matter from who they get their weapons from.

 

[Zeuzzz]

1). If Saddam is a brave fighter for his country's independence against evil US imperialism (like Galloway claims), you can't at the same time blame the USA for arming him.

Nope, he never claimed that. He spent years protesting against him.

2). If the USA is evil for arming Saddam with 0.5% of his weapons, the USSR is 100 times as evil for arming him with 50% or more of those weapons. Yet somehow the paradise of the workers is never blamed; it's always the "evil USA arm dealers".

Where did galloway say the US are "evil" for arming Sadam with weapons? To me, He was merely pointing out the difference in purpose between his visit and Rumsfelds.

 

[WildCat]

So, ignoring all of Galloway's lies, his support of terrorist groups and thugocracies and dictators, the fact he's rarely in Parliament representing the people who elected him, beyond all that he's actually a great man?

 

[Zeuzzz]

So, ignoring all of Galloway's lies

What compared to the rampant lies of the US admin to get into war?

his support of terrorist groups and thugocracies and dictators

Like Americas support of Sadam and Iraq against Iran?

the fact he's rarely in Parliament representing the people who elected him,

He has been voted in a damn few more times than most.

beyond all that he's actually a great man?

Pretty much. Your catching on

 

[WildCat]

What compared to the rampant lies of the US admin to get into war?

What lies? Being wrong doesn't make you a liar. Being a liar does, like when Georgie boy said he nevrer said "we are all Hamas".

Like Americas support of Sadam and Iraq against Iran?

No, not like that at all. The national governments of country's generaslly have a monopoly on foreign policy. Individual politicians don't get to aid terrorist groups or give money to them.

But you now admit that Galloway supports Hamas, and also their policies of genocide against Jews, torturing to death political opponents, stealing humanitarian aid for their own purposes, etc etc?

He has been voted in a damn few more times than most.

Which proves only that an ant-semite can get elected from a district full of anti-semites.

By all means support this asshat if you want, but it's kind of odd you seem to be in love with his words while ignoring his very opposite actions. PT Barnum's observation remains spot-on so many byears later.

 

[Arcade22]

What compared to the rampant lies of the US admin to get into war?

So you agree that he IS a liar?

 

[Zeuzzz]

What lies? Being wrong doesn't make you a liar. Being a liar does, like when Georgie boy said he nevrer said "we are all Hamas".

Tit for tat.

He was trying to make a profound statement about human values and everyone being equal humans in a heated rally while children and innocent people were being murdered. I'm so not surprised you did not get it.

In the context of reading it as a quote alone, he is right to say he never said it in the way intended by the person taking it out of context.

Individual politicians don't get to aid terrorist groups or give money to them.

Think about what you just said. And what you accused Galloway of earlier.

But you now admit that Galloway supports Hamas

Nope, he doesn't.

Which proves only that an ant-semite can get elected from a district full of anti-semites.

I will ask one more time before considering this question already answered due to your avoidance of it: Please provide evidence that Galloway is in the slightest bit anti-semitic.

I can provide tonnes of evidence that he absolutely despises all anti-semites. Just youtube it for gods sake.

 

[WildCat]

Tit for tat.

He was trying to make a profound statement about human values and everyone being equal humans in a heated rally while children and innocent people were being murdered. I'm so not surprised you did not get it.

In the context of reading it as a quote alone, he is right to say he never said it in the way intended by the person taking it out of context.

I saw the whole thing. He was doing nothing but expressing solidarity for a internationally recognized terrorist organization and its policies of oppression, torture, muder, and genocide.

Think about what you just said. And what you accused Galloway of earlier.

I don't support it when states do it either. But Galloway supports it when he shares a common enemy with the terrorist group.

Nope, he doesn't.

Yes, he does. Here's proof:

I will ask one more time before considering this question already answered due to your avoidance of it: Please provide evidence that Galloway is in the slightest bit anti-semitic.

He supports a terrorist organization (see video above) which has as its stated and written goal genocide of the Jews.

It's hard to get any more anti-semitic than that.

I can provide tonnes of evidence that he absolutely despises all anti-semites. Just youtube it for gods sake.

He has a funny way of showing it, giving money to Hamas and all...