Moderated Views on George Galloway.

[Zeuzzz]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7939480.stm

As Lincoln said about slavery: 'If that is not support, then I don't know what is'.

As I said, he supports them in humaitarian situations. This was just after well over 1000 people had been killed in gaza, over 400 children, thousands of houses destroyed, over 8000 casualties. The money was that donated by the british people to the Gaza charity appeal to help the wounded and suffering. And the best way to get the money to the people of a war torn state is to give it to the democratically elected govenment who can best help their people.

 

[Sporanox]

As I said, he supports them in humaitarian situations.

You honestly think that Hamas is going to use that money for humanitarian causes, or that Galloway has any idea how the money is being used?

 

[Zeuzzz]

So he supports them!!

No, he supports them when they are being murdered and require charity, as he would any group of people. Which, oddly, you know, as I said it just after that, and you decided to edit that bit out

 

[Undesired Walrus]

You realise that Galloway has given them enough money to fund quite a few suicide vests for misguided teenagers don't you? I thought you cared about the deaths of the young.

 

[Zeuzzz]

You honestly think that Hamas is going to use that money for humanitarian causes, or that Galloway has any idea how the money is being used?

Yes, as most of the aid came in form of food, nappies, and medical equiptment. And Hamas would not have such widespread support in palestine if they did not support their people. They have spent a lot of money on repairing their city, hospitals, repairing schools, and also on how to defend themselves incase of future onslaughts. Which I'm sure the palestinian people support. I see no riots against Hamas there, only hostility towards Israel.

 

[Sporanox]

No, he supports them when they are being murdered and require charity, as he would any group of people. Which, oddly, you know, as I said it just after that, and you decided to edit that bit out

Uh, the part I edited out doesn't change the fact that he supports them. Why can't you grasp this?

 

[Sporanox]

Yes, as most of the aid came in form of food, nappies, and medical equiptment.

Except for the money and cars. I betcha Galloway knows EXACTLY how that's being spent...

 

[Zeuzzz]

You realise that Galloway has given them enough money to fund quite a few suicide vests for misguided teenagers don't you? I thought you cared about the deaths of the young.

And why would they feel the need to buy suicide vests?

One side has state of the art bombers and precision weapons, and the other inaccurate mortars and suicide bombs.

And the still unanswered question of the thread:

Now, serious question, what on earth would drive people to resort to such drastic measures as blowing themselves up?

The previous answer of religion does not cut it, if you like I could rephrase "Now, serious question, what on earth would drive peoples religous views to become so drastic as they blow themselves up?

 

[Zeuzzz]

Uh, the part I edited out doesn't change the fact that he supports them. Why can't you grasp this?

No, he suports any people suffering. And the people suffering happen to be govened by Hamas.

 

[Sporanox]

And why would they feel the need to buy suicide vests?

Your spectacular red herring is noted.

ETA:

No, he suports any people suffering. And the people suffering happen to be govened by Hamas.

Yet he gave the supplies directly to Hamas...so he is giving material support to Hamas. It is Hamas' prerogative regarding how to use the resources. DUH.

 

[Zeuzzz]

Another radio quote where george makes absolute sense. Debunk that.

Or this:

 

[Undesired Walrus]

The previous answer of religion does not cut it, if you like I could rephrase "Now, serious question, what on earth would drive peoples religous views to become so drastic as they blow themselves up?

Strict interpretations of the Quran.

You seem to be stuck in infinite regress here, presumably wishing for me to proclaim that it is because the bullying measures of Israel, to which I could reply 'What would cause Israel to inflict such bullying measures?' to which you could reply 'Zionism' to which I could reply 'What would cause Israel to have such Zionist principles..', ad infinitum.

Sometimes people have to stop blaming others and take responsibility for their actions. It's part of growing up.

The myth of blowback is demonstrated by the murders of thousands of innocent Muslims by these murderers. The French Resistence didn't kill their own because they disagreed with their interpretations of how France should be. Nor did they spray acid into the faces of young girls trying to go to school, ala the Taliban.

As I've answered your question many times, please be so kind as to answer mine, the one I've asked a few times with no reply: Are you saying the Palestinians have it worse than Black Americans did for much of American history?

 

[Zeuzzz]

As I've answered your question many times, please be so kind as to answer mine, the one I've asked a few times with no reply: Are you saying the Palestinians have it worse than Black Americans did for much of American history?

I didn't answer it as its tottaly irrelivant.

But no, of course not. Thats a truly ridiculous statement.

 

[Zeuzzz]

The myth of blowback is demonstrated by the murders of thousands of innocent Muslims by these murderers.

Exactly. They really are scum aren't they? Everyone hates them.

These sort of extremists are the last things that Hamas wants. And they condemn every last one of them.

 

[Zeuzzz]

Another radio quote where george makes absolute sense. Debunk that.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

I didn't answer it as its tottaly irrelivant.

No, it's not. You are clearly implying that Hamas want to strap on vests to their children because of the brutality of their oppressors.

But no, of course not.

And thus, Douglass and Martin are people to look up to as the way civilised people function in the face of appalling suffering. Hamas are to be looked down to.

These sort of extremists are the last things that Hamas wants. And they condemn every last one of them.

They do? Every last one?

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/07/15/tv.show/index.html

It's meant to be a children's program, but "Young Pioneers" on Hamas-run television is well-known for pushing the boundaries of what most people would deem suitable content for children...

..The show was recently aired for the children of the bomber and other youths in a studio audience.

The young anchor sounds a defiant note: "And here we say to the occupier that we will follow her doctrine, the doctrine of the martyr mujahida Reem Riyashi, until we liberate our homeland from your illegitimate hands."

Riyashi killed four Israelis in a 2004 attack at the Erez crossing between Gaza and Israel.

In the video, an actress playing her prepares explosives for her mission, ignoring her children's questions about what she is doing.

"Mummy, what are you holding in your arms -- a toy or a present for me?" her daughter asks.

Her daughter then sees a news report about the suicide bombing and sings, "Only now I understand what was more important than us."

The camera cuts back to the faces of her two children watching the re-enactment.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather shove that £25,000 up my own behind before donating to something that promotes such child abuse.

 

[Zeuzzz]

No, it's not. You are clearly implying that Hamas want to strap on vests to their children because of the brutality of their oppressors.

Yes I am. Finally we got there.

Your point?

And thus, Douglass and Martin are people to look up to as the way civilised people function in the face of appalling suffering. Hamas are to be looked down to.

And for what reason? At the risk of sounding like a broken record, George does not support hamas, but he does support the humanitarian rights of their people and is happy to give aid to them when they are suffering, as are the majority of the British people.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather shove that £25,000 up my own behind before donating to something that promotes such child abuse.

Would you call some of the zionist view TV shows which clearly portray arabs as some sort of secondary race to the elitist Israelis child abuse too? Or the religous shows about jerusalem being the holy land? That is, afterall, where most of the Israeli army will have inherited their (racist) patriotic ideas from, which will nearly always be the reason why they joined the army in the first place.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

And for what reason? At the risk of sounding like a broken record, George does not support hamas,

What would you consider support then?

And for what reason?

Can't you see the intellectual superiority of people like Douglass and King to the deeply uncivilised Hamas?

but he does support the humanitarian rights of their people and is happy to give aid to them when they are suffering, as are the majority of the British people.

So why give the money to Hamas, a group that kills its own people?

Would you call some of the zionist view TV shows which clearly portray arabs as some sort of secondary race to the elitist Israelis child abuse too? That is, afterall, where most of the Israeli army will have inherited their (racist) patriotic ideas from, which will nearly always be the reason why they joined the army in the first place.

I thought we went through this fallacy. It's cowardly.

Do you therefore consider these TV Shows in Israel no big deal?

 

[Zeuzzz]

What would you consider support then?

Supporting all of their policies and ideologies. Some of which he does not.

So why give the money to Hamas, a group that kills its own people?

He's not giving money to Hamas really, all the money went to the people in Gaza through Hamas, as he clearly outlines here:

George Galloway on whether funds support Hamas

I thought we went through this fallacy. It's cowardly.

Its an incorrect fallacy. You are using it to avoid the points raised fella (or missy)

Do you therefore consider these TV Shows in Israel no big deal?

the shows in Israel are a huge deal, without them there would be hardly any motivation for people to join the army on patriotic or religous grounds, and a lot less people would see any reason to fight their neighbours.

 

[Ziggurat]

So this is what its come down to? One quote he made on a talk show years ago that may or may not be factually inaccurate.

Wow. You still can't admit that he lied. You know, that's even more telling about you than it is about him.

The one thing I can't understand is why you're so willing to shoot your own credibility in the foot in order to defend him on this point.