Video supports missile theory at WTC

[MaGZ]

No, he does most definitely not speak of dead bodies.
In a later interview he explicitly denies seeing dead bodies.
Barry Jennings and Michael Hess were alone in experiencing that "explosion". At 9:03, WTC7 was still full of people, very full. It was not nearly evacuated by then. Someone evacuating from the 47th floor would need 12 minutes to walk down the stairs! Suppose everybody started evacuating immedatley after the first crash (8:46) - with staircases clogged with thousands of people, no way you are done by 9:03. But Jennings and Hess reported that that "explosion" blocked the stairs, and they coould not find a way down. They were alone then.
No way in the world was that at 9:03.

And the firefighter who took us down kept saying, "Do not look down." I kept saying, "Why?" We were stepping over people. And you know when you can feel when you are stepping over people. They took us out through a hole... in this wall, and that's how they got us out... this huge police officer came over to me and he said, "You have to run". I said, "I can't, my knees are swollen". [He said] "You'll have to get on your knees and crawl then, because we have reports of more explosions." That's when I started crawling and I saw this guy fall behind me, and his comrades came to his aid and they dragged him to safety." - Barry Jennings

 

[MaGZ]

A more plausible explanation:

http://loosetrains911.blogspot.com/

BTW, I would just love to get an idea of how truthers think that missile planning meeting went down. Perhaps one of them could provide us with a possible re-enactment.

The missile came from the fighters from Otis air base that were sent to NYC.

 

[BigAl]

The missile came from the fighters from Otis air base that were sent to NYC.

MaGZ; What do believe is the largest missile that one of these jets can carry? Name it.

 

[MaGZ]

Barry Jennings was on the way to work when he got a first message about a "Cessna" crashing into the first tower. he got that message after 8:46, evidently. Let's make that 8:48. He then had to get near WTC7 (8:51) park his car (8:53), walk to the WTC7 lobby (8:56), wait for an elevator (8:57), go up to the 23rd floor (8:58), find it empty, make a few calls (9:01), try to take an elvator down (9:03), walk down to the 6th floor (he is a heavy man with bad knees - 17 stories down is easily 5 minutes, when you don't think your in danger - 9:08)
Then he experienced some loud noise and stuff below him.

No, Barry Jennings was not down at the 6th floor at 9:03, and he did not here a missile explosion.

When Jennings and Hess got to the emergency command center the center was evacuated. Do you know why? Because the second hijacked aircraft was approaching the WTC area and an emergency evacuation of WTC 7 was called around 9:00. Jennings and Hess made some calls at the command center and they were told to get out the building immediately. They were in the stairwell at 9:03 when the missile his the south side of WTC 7 setting off the oil-filled transforms causing the collapse of the stairwell in a missive cloud of black smoke.

 

[Horatius]

When Jennings and Hess got to the emergency command center the center was evacuated. Do you know why? Because the second hijacked aircraft was approaching the WTC area and an emergency evacuation of WTC 7 was called around 9:00. Jennings and Hess made some calls at the command center and they were told to get out the building immediately. They were in the stairwell at 9:03 when the missile his the south side of WTC 7 setting off the oil-filled transforms causing the collapse of the stairwell in a missive cloud of black smoke.

Hmmm....

Check here to see when WTC 7 was evacuated
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a903

The Office of Emergency Management’s command center, on the 23rd floor of WTC 7, is not evacuated until later, at 9:30 a.m

D'oh!

 

[MaGZ]

Martin Kelly was in WTC 1 and experienced the first plane hit the building . He evacuate and when he was in the lobby of WTC 1 he hears an explosion coming from Vesey Street. This was when the missile hit at 9:03.
http://www.irishidentity.com/extras/people/stories/kelly.htm

Then I thought about going into the subways but abandoned that idea as I thought it might fill with gas, causing an explosion. Then I contemplated Vesey Street, but remembered that was where the first explosion had happened, so I decided to go out under the concourse towards the Trinity Street side. As I jumped over the railing, there were Port Authority Police directing people out every exit in front of the buildings. Some of us helped to organize the move and shouted, “Move fast but don’t
push!”

 

[Zep]

Martin Kelly was in WTC 1 and experienced the first plane hit the building . He evacuate and when he was in the lobby of WTC 1 he hears an explosion coming from Vesey Street. This was when the missile hit at 9:03.
http://www.irishidentity.com/extras/people/stories/kelly.htm

MASSIVE reading comprehension fail of your own source:

On 9/11/01 I went to my office - located on the 11th floor in 2 WTC - as I have for the past 21 years.
I am one of approximately 100 people who worked there for Verizon Communications. Most of them are technicians and, after they get their assignments from managers like myself, they go to various offices around the World Trade Centre.

On Tuesday 9/11, at about 8:45am, I heard a loud bang and the building shook. As I looked out the window, I could see papers flying all around. Being the floor warden, I shouted for everyone to leave the building. Everyone close to me jumped up and ran out while I searched the floor for anyone who hadn’t heard the bang.

...

Then I thought about going into the subways but abandoned that idea as I thought it might fill with gas, causing an explosion. Then I contemplated Vesey Street, but remembered that was where the first explosion had happened, so I decided to go out under the concourse towards the Trinity Street side. As I jumped over the railing, there were Port Authority Police directing people out every exit in front of the buildings. Some of us helped to organize the move and shouted, “Move fast but don’t push!”

 

[Bell]

MaGZ; What do believe is the largest missile that one of these jets can carry? Name it.

Tough question, MaGZ is not going to answer this

 

[alienentity]

an emergency evacuation of WTC 7 was called around 9:00.

Citation please. Who called it?

I'll give you a citation you should have. 'At approximately 9:44am, after the report of a third aircraft heading the city and news that the Pentagon had been attacked, a Deputy OEM Commissioner ordered the complete evacuation of WTC 7 (Sheirer 2004) This order included the evacuation of the OEM operations center on the 23rd floor. The loss of the OEM operations center created difficulties related to the coordination of emergency responder operations and resources'

NIST NCSTAR 1-8 p 109

I have a distinct feeling you're going to ignore this or just handwave it away as part of the 'conspiracy'. But there it is. Further, did you know that at 9:30am FDNY, EMS established a triage center in the lobby of WTC 7?
(also on p 109 of NCSTAR 1-8)

Now, think for a moment: they were in the building continuously up to that point, yet nobody reported an explosion and fire in WTC 7. How can that be, if Jennings' interpretation is correct?
That would mean all those people, all the FDNY personnel, EMT, OEM people are all lying.

Occam's razor says they're not, because Barry Jennings' claim cannot be corroborated. It simply means that ONE man was wrong, that's all. No grand conspiracy.
People do make mistakes you know.

 

[funk de fino]

I have never suggested the 9:03 explosion were pre placed explosions.

Mike Catalano debunks your missile nonsense. You are repeating the same lies. You have no clue about missiles or you would not even have started with this delusion

 

[funk de fino]

Martin Kelly was in WTC 1 and experienced the first plane hit the building . He evacuate and when he was in the lobby of WTC 1 he hears an explosion coming from Vesey Street. This was when the missile hit at 9:03.
http://www.irishidentity.com/extras/people/stories/kelly.htm

Another lie. On a roll there.

 

[Zep]

Another lie. On a roll there.

Oh, I don't know! Perhaps not so much "a lie" as the fact he can't read and comprehend for toffee.

 

[Oystein]

Check here to see when WTC 7 was evacuated
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a903

Let's see... I follow the first link given on that historycommons page:

http://www.dcmilitary.com/dcmilitary_archives/stories/101801/11338-1.shtml

Once he heard the building was being evacuated, he, along with his coworkers, headed for the stairwell and started the five-minute journey from the ninth floor to the lobby.

First from the lobby then the loading dock where he and others were allowed to exit the building, he saw an awful spectacle: a fireball from the plane crashing into Tower Two

So evacuation from the 9th floor started 5 minutes before the second crash. Make that 8:58.
That is a good match with the first item at history commons:

At 8:59 a.m., the ... PAPD commanding officer ... calls for the evacuation of the North Tower and the South Tower... Thirty seconds later, the officer repeats his order, but this time calls for all the buildings in the WTC complex to be evacuated.

That puts the evacuation order for all WTC buildings, including 7, at 9:00.
Given that descent from 9th to lobby might take a little less than 9 minutes for a fit person - 2 or 3 minutes, depending on traffic in the staircase - I find this to be good confirmation.

It takes much more than 3 or 5 minutes to evacuate the entire building, up to the 47th floor.

Thus, it is absoltutely certain that at 9:03 there were still many people above the 6th floor.


You also need to note what Joseph Wall witnessed in the lobby of the WTC7: It was the crash into the second tower. It was NOT a missile hat to the lobby!


Justo Andaluz's story, who worked with Joseph Wall and presumably evacuated the 9th floor at the same time:

As he looked through the lobby windows, he saw debris falling then realized people were jumping from office windows. "That sight still is in my mind," he said.

After the second explosion, the calm was shattered.

Again, he is in the lobby as the second tower is hit. NO missile reported by this soldier!


At any rate, the paraphrase of historycommons about that (these) soldiers is misleading or maybe plain wrong. They claim

According to a soldier at the scene, WTC Building 7 is evacuated before the second tower is hit.

Since these 9th-floor people were in the lobby when the second tower was hit, they were not evacuated at that time. If 9th-floor occupants reached the lobby by that time, many occupants from floors 18 and up probably did not.
So if they mean "evacuation was already underway", that is correct.
If they mean "evacuation had started", that would be correct.
The important point remains: WTC7 was still full of people when the second plane struck, and none of them witnessed any deacth or destruction to the building.

Barry Jennings an Michael Hess arrived at the 6th floor stair very much after 9:03.

 

[Oystein]

And the firefighter who took us down kept saying, "Do not look down." I kept saying, "Why?" We were stepping over people. And you know when you can feel when you are stepping over people. They took us out through a hole... in this wall, and that's how they got us out... this huge police officer came over to me and he said, "You have to run". I said, "I can't, my knees are swollen". [He said] "You'll have to get on your knees and crawl then, because we have reports of more explosions." That's when I started crawling and I saw this guy fall behind me, and his comrades came to his aid and they dragged him to safety." - Barry Jennings

I am missing a crucial word here. Where are the dead people?
He did not see any.

At any rate, Jenning's testimony is wildly off. His timeline, his interpretation are mumble-jumble and cannot be corroborated with anything.
Which is not at all unusual for people going through a terrifying ordeal without receiving information what the hell is going on.

Like I said: I once overheard a man who told his buddy that an earthquake we all felt the night before shook for about 2 minutes. Which he described as "not very long". In reality, the rattler was over in 10-14 seconds (depending on location). That's how wildly off people's perception of time can be in siuations that frighten them and which they have no experience with.

 

[BigAl]

Martin Kelly was in WTC 1 and experienced the first plane hit the building . He evacuate and when he was in the lobby of WTC 1 he hears an explosion coming from Vesey Street. This was when the missile hit at 9:03.
http://www.irishidentity.com/extras/people/stories/kelly.htm

MaGZ; What do believe is the largest missile that one of these jets can carry? Name it.

 

[Oystein]

When Jennings and Hess got to the emergency command center the center was evacuated. Do you know why? Because the second hijacked aircraft was approaching the WTC area and an emergency evacuation of WTC 7 was called around 9:00. Jennings and Hess made some calls at the command center and they were told to get out the building immediately. They were in the stairwell at 9:03 when the missile his the south side of WTC 7 setting off the oil-filled transforms causing the collapse of the stairwell in a missive cloud of black smoke.

A heavy man like Jennings, who gets swollen knees from walking stairs, walks at most 4 floors down a minute. More likely 3.
23rd to 6th is 17 floors.
Or 4 to 6 minutes.
They made a few calls.
Evacuation of WTC7 was ordered no sooner than 9:00
If they made a call where the man on the other end told them to evacuate, that call was not made and finished before 9:01
Now Hess and Jennings give the elevators a try - and find them non-functional. So they walk to the stairs. Something they have never done before.
Descent starts no sooner than 9:02.
They arrive at the 6th floor no sooner than 9:06.
3 minutes too late for your story.

But it is totally unclear if they really arrived at the OEM at or even before 9:00.
Their story makes a whole lot more sense if you assume it all happened much later, and they were at the 6th floor at 9:59.
Time flies sometimes, ya know...

 

[SpitfireIX]

wait...so now it's a missile instead of thermite?

You're new around here, aren't you?

 

[excaza]

A missile....from an F-16. An orbital laser cannon is more plausible.

 

[Horatius]

A missile....from an F-16. An orbital laser cannon is more plausible.

Oh come on....





...if a helicopter can do it.....


Saw that on TV last year after reading MaGZ, and I thought, "No, he couldn't possible think....", but then I remembered: It's MaGZ.

 

[Sabretooth]

A missile....from an F-16. An orbital laser cannon is more plausible.

It was the same F-16 that launched the magical rainbow EMP attack on FL93...