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Vice Presidential Debate

Yeah, probably.
From the very little I've seen of them so far, I imagine Pence will come out the better.

Who knows though.
 
I assume Pence is hoping for a discussion of topics. He's quite convinced of how right he is (very far right... hyuk, hyuk) and is a more polished speaker.

Kaine will be trying to turn it into a referendum on Trump. IMHO there's enough material on Pence and his policies worthy of discussing, but no one cares, really - about either of them. So taking one for the team, Kaine goes after all the smarmier Trump points and tries to get Pence to deny them. Pence won't so will come out as the good soldier, but Kaine and the Dems don't really care about that. They just want another 90 minutes(?) of "Donald Trump, What a Schmuck!" on national tee-vee.

If we're paying attention to debate points and style, Pence wins. If we're paying attention to political goals, Kaine wins if he keeps the subject on Trump or Trump v. Hillary more than half the time.
 
i think Kaine (as scripted by the campaign) will try to drive a wedge between all that Pence pretends to stand for and all that Trump is making him say and do.
The goal will not be to crucify Pence (he might enjoy that), but to show that Trump is no Republican, that conscientious conservatives can not in good faith support him.
 
Fox and Friends, demonstrating their own ignorance plus a viewer, by name, showed on screen "... one of the best suggestions for a question to be asked at the debate tonight".

And that question? "I'd like to hear them asked whether they say 'Merry Christmas' or 'Happy Holidays'."

I'm not sure if it's Fox or his Friends or the Viewer. Someone missed some of the bio or the Democratic Convention. Are they going to trip up the Jesuit-loving Catholic Democrat and show him to be a commie-atheist?

It's understandable - they were still recovering from the non-news from Wikileaks. So much so that their first half hour they were still reading from their notes, wondering if Assange's comments would come up at the debate. About twenty minutes in, one of the producers must've handed them a note telling them that there was no there, there because they shut up on that tack.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
i think Kaine (as scripted by the campaign) will try to drive a wedge between all that Pence pretends to stand for and all that Trump is making him say and do.
The goal will not be to crucify Pence (he might enjoy that), but to show that Trump is no Republican, that conscientious conservatives can not in good faith support him.
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I have a feeling there is going to be a lot of referring to the party platform from Pence and not Donald's stated views. He's a classic gay bashing, conversion therapy believing, keep them queers out of my bathroom, far right conservative. The party platform looks like it was designed to be attached to a Cruz/Pence ticket and not a Donald/Pence ticket aside from the pro-Russia modification that Donald had done. Pence can't retreat to his perfectly average record as Governor of Indiana (Indiana was basically in line with the national averages on all metrics) since Kaine's record as Governor of Virginia was award winning. He'll have to have a brilliant performance to overcome how incongruent he is with Donald.
 
In this corner: the guy who'd actually end up doing the presidenting.

In the opposite corner: your best friend from school's awesome dad.

Gentlemen, keep in mind that whoever wins this debate and this election, neither of you will be remembered because you're both too vanilla to stand out from your candidates' shadows.

Now let's get this over with and go home.
 
Stacko said:
I have a feeling there is going to be a lot of referring to the party platform from Pence and not Donald's stated views. He's a classic gay bashing, conversion therapy believing, keep them queers out of my bathroom, far right conservative. The party platform looks like it was designed to be attached to a Cruz/Pence ticket and not a Donald/Pence ticket aside from the pro-Russia modification that Donald had done. Pence can't retreat to his perfectly average record as Governor of Indiana (Indiana was basically in line with the national averages on all metrics) since Kaine's record as Governor of Virginia was award winning. He'll have to have a brilliant performance to overcome how incongruent he is with Donald.
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If you go by the pre-spin, Pence is being pushed to come out a little more Donald-esque, e.g. in attack mode. Kellyanne was already hyping it as a "different Pence" and then specifically said he wouldn't make the mistake of having to play defense. Additionally, the RNC has started running Willie Horton Lite ads and Spicer has attacked Kaine for defending rapists and murderers.
 
Foolmewunz said:
If you go by the pre-spin, Pence is being pushed to come out a little more Donald-esque, e.g. in attack mode. Kellyanne was already hyping it as a "different Pence" and then specifically said he wouldn't make the mistake of having to play defense. Additionally, the RNC has started running Willie Horton Lite ads and Spicer has attacked Kaine for defending rapists and murderers.
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Having someone be something they're not doesn't work. I wish I wasn't on a flight so I could see if Mike Pence shows up or he tries to play a Donald lite version of himself. Tim Kaine just has to go out and be who he is, America's uncool step dad. It's also the first time since '04 we get to see a debate between two inconsequential white men on a Presidential ticket since goofy gaffe prone Biden is gone.
 
With some Trumpers obsessing over Clinton's health, this would seem to be important for a look at the person who will end up as President if she becomes medically incapacitated/dead. But I've never really gotten the point of that, because the comparison between Trump and Clinton really works out about the same as the one between Trump and any other Federal-level Democrat politician. It's not Trump against any person; it's Trump against even the concept of responsible politics. And that puts a lot more difference between the two "Republicans" in this case than between the two Democrats.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Fox and Friends, demonstrating their own ignorance plus a viewer, by name, showed on screen "... one of the best suggestions for a question to be asked at the debate tonight".

And that question? "I'd like to hear them asked whether they say 'Merry Christmas' or 'Happy Holidays'."

I'm not sure if it's Fox or his Friends or the Viewer. Someone missed some of the bio or the Democratic Convention. Are they going to trip up the Jesuit-loving Catholic Democrat and show him to be a commie-atheist?

It's understandable - they were still recovering from the non-news from Wikileaks. So much so that their first half hour they were still reading from their notes, wondering if Assange's comments would come up at the debate. About twenty minutes in, one of the producers must've handed them a note telling them that there was no there, there because they shut up on that tack.
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Dude, ever heard the saying "if you stare into the abyss too long, the abyss starts staring back at you"? ;)

The Green Party VP candidate Ajamu Baraka holds some sort of "Occupy the Debate" thingy with a livestream adding his opinion to the official "debate" over at Democracy Now! with Am-I-Good-Man. Should be here soon.
 
So far, not much unexpected.
A lot of avoiding questions and interrupting.

But Kaine seems to be showing more teeth early on.
 
Pence absolutely comes across better and more reasoned.

I'm merely speaking about his presentational style, not the correctness of his claims.
 
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