VFF Preliminary Kidney Detection Test

[VisionFromFeeling]

I have not lied about any of this.

 

[Farencue]

Jig is up Anita.
You lie.
Seeya over at the Icke site

You little reptilian alien believer you.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

You little reptilian alien believer you.

You can absolutely not assume that just because I appreciate some of the things that David Icke says, that I agree with everything he says. As a Skeptic you should know not to make such an assumption.

ETA: This is being said because I have this quote by Icke on my website. I think it is beautiful in a poetic kind of way, describing the world in terms of our perception of it from reflected light patterns and electrical signals in the body, and knowing from physics how everything around us including matter truly could be described as a form of frequency fields, or what I call as vibrational fields.

 

[Farencue]

Jig is up Anita.
You lie.
Seeya over at the Icke site

Where do I claim I am a skeptic or even a science student? Just because I hang out at JREF doesnt make it so.

 

[Ashles]

* Lactobacillus - Failed Cancelled/Inconclusive (I got headache and nausea)
* Crushed Pills - Failed I never reported my answers because I was not given reference samples
* Chemical Identification over Webcam - Failed and was never even my claim I just gave it a try anyway
* Reading Photos - Failed who cares my claim is medical perceptions from people I see in person
* In-Person Readings at FACT - Failed Very successful
* Her "Study" - Failed Reached its objective of defining a specific claim and learning more about the limitations and allowances of the medical perceptions, involved a questionnaire that had flaws in it
* Induced Information Tests - Failed because I was testing the outer limits of the perceptions to determine the limitations of the claim, ie. a full-body screen does not work

I am having the most intense sensation myself right now. All my senses seem to be detecting... hang on... yes... it's definitely pants, but oddly... I perceive... they are on fire. Weird. Whatever could this mean?

 

[GeeMack]

I have not lied about any of this.

But...

Feel free to apply skepticism and call me a liar and a fraud.

Having applied skepticism, and having seen many other people in these threads apply skepticism, and having watched you for many, many months refuse to apply skepticism, I conclude without a reasonable doubt that you are a liar and a fraud.

 

[Uncayimmy]

* Lactobacillus - Failed Cancelled/Inconclusive (I got headache and nausea)
* Crushed Pills - Failed I never reported my answers because I was not given reference samples

Right. You failed.

* Chemical Identification over Webcam - Failed and was never even my claim I just gave it a try anyway

You gave an answer, and you were wrong. That means you are unable to distinguish fiction from reality. Do you understand what that means, Anita? You think you're able to do something while you are doing it, but you end up being wrong.

* Reading Photos - Failed who cares my claim is medical perceptions from people I see in person

Once again, you gave a reading. You didn't say, "I got nuthin." You gave an answer, and you were wrong. That means you are unable to distinguish fiction from reality. Do you understand what that means, Anita? You think you're able to do something while you are doing it, but you end up being wrong.

* In-Person Readings at FACT - Failed Very successful

What a load of bovine excrement. Nobody at FACT agrees with you on this. Nobody here does either.

* Her "Study" - Failed Reached its objective of defining a specific claim and learning more about the limitations and allowances of the medical perceptions, involved a questionnaire that had flaws in it

1) The "study" did not touch on missing kidneys.
2) The study was inadequate to prove an ability, but it was more than adequate to disprove it. And that's exactly what it did.

* Induced Information Tests - Failed because I was testing the outer limits of the perceptions to determine the limitations of the claim, ie. a full-body screen does not work

That's just a lie. As best as I can tell, you never did a full body screen - at least the head was always exposed. You also promised to follow up, but you never did.

 

[Sun Countess]

However, such perceptions can also be formed while looking away, with my eyes closed, or even being in a different room and no longer seeing the person, because these perceptions are made in a different way.

That applies to persons whom I have already seen in the past. If we have a kidney detection test and there are persons behind a screen and I have never gotten a good look of those persons I will have no perceptions. All is consistent with my claim.

So.....are you saying that if you were to meet the one-kidney and two-kidney volunteers prior to the test, that you would be able to determine which of them was in the next room, even if you couldn't see them with your eyes? This would certainly make it easier to design a double-blinded test protocol. You could get a good read on their vibrational information so that you could even recognize them with your eyes closed, and then perform a test where you determined which one (or neither) was randomly placed behind a screen.

 

[Uncayimmy]

Anita, in your Survey Notes you wrote, "I confirm that black people are harder. They have fewer health problems and their tissues & internal chemicals chemistry etc. is different. I'm less experienced."

Finding "black people" is a lot easier than finding people with mising kidneys. It also makes it much easier to blind the people as to why they were chosen for the test whereas asking "Ya missing a kidney?" makes it pretty obvious. We could also clothe the volunteers in such a way that skin is not visible.

Could you then tell us whether the person is "black" or not based on the fact that you believe tissue and internal chemistry varies by what you believe to be race?

How about crystals?

"I was born with this ability, but at the age of 14 I came across a store where I saw a quartz crystal for the very first time. I was drawn to it without knowing what they were and it was love at first sight. I bought one and a book that taught how to use crystals. One of the exercises described how you can increase your sensitivity to crystals by spending time holding the tip of the quartz crystal over the palm of your hand until you feel something. I practised for days until one day I felt and saw a cool blue beam coming from the tip of the crystal. I got other types of crystals of different colors and spent time holding them in my hands and developed a sense of feeling that was distinct for each of them. Eventually I was so good at feeling the different crystals that I no longer felt a need to hold them, I would feel all of them just by knowing where they were."

What about your full bladder detection ability? You told us, "I love to tell people when they need to go to the bathroom. It is not visible externally, but I can feel it. I can also see the composition of urine " You have done this far more times than you have detected a missing kidney. It's also an automatic perception as you describe it, so the time needed is just a few seconds per volunteer.

And what about your ability to detect what a person recently at? "I can also see the composition of urine and the contents of the stomach and intestines and am learning to decipher this into what a person ate. It does not bother me at all. One of the clearest things to see that a person ate, is a meal composed mostly of sucrose (tablesugar), and another one is a meal composed mostly of fat. "

These things seem on the surface much easier to arrange and test and leave room for much better blinding than kidney detection. They are claims you have made before, and they are related to medical perceptions of living people.

 

[Gmonster2]

Photo reading failed

Anita you admit that you failed the photo reading of Uncayimmy so why did you say this in response to Uncayimmy when he went through his list of medical issues.

"Although it is not permissible to make claims afterwards, I did detect an issue with the right wrist but failed to mention it. This does not count but for my purposes I am interested."

"The first thing I detected was knee problems but I failed to mention this. It does not count but is interesting for my own record. "

When Uncayimmy brought up his wrist and knee problems you didn't say no i didn't detect those things looks like I can't do photo readings but its not my main claim anyways.

So why did you lie and pretend you had perceived something?

 

[Akhenaten]

Yet another example of Vision from Feeling's postdictive ability and her insistence that every occurrence of it must be turned into a new claim.

This entire kidney detection claim is based on a single instance of VfF claiming that she'd detected an abnormality only AFTER the abnormality had been pointed out to her.

It's way less than smoke and mirrors.

 

[dafydd]

I am not lying. I already have other forms of synesthesia, for instance every time I read N I see the color green, or when I read Lithium I see a yellow. The medical perceptions of tissues and organs occur in the same way. I am not lying. And I did detect that a FACT member was missing a kidney. You are by all means entitled to question my honesty, since I did only mention it after the fact, but please allow that I am fully convinced that I detected it before it was announced and that is why I am compelled to have a test to either verify or to falsify my claim that I can perceive the number of kidneys in a person.

Either one or two.

 

[dafydd]

You can absolutely not assume that just because I appreciate some of the things that David Icke says, that I agree with everything he says. As a Skeptic you should know not to make such an assumption.

ETA: This is being said because I have this quote by Icke on my website. I think it is beautiful in a poetic kind of way, describing the world in terms of our perception of it from reflected light patterns and electrical signals in the body, and knowing from physics how everything around us including matter truly could be described as a form of frequency fields, or what I call as vibrational fields.

Now you're quoting that arch-nutter David Icke?

 

[Ocelot]

* Lactobacillus - Failed Cancelled/Inconclusive (I got headache and nausea)

That wasn't the only reason it was inconclusive. Your failure to follow simple steps to rule out cheating and inadvertant information leakage is why the tests were inconclusive. You certainly managed enough trials in the couple of weeks that you were trying to have established a result had you only kept to protocol

The solution suggested here ws that you simply do 5-10 trials a week. In the 39 weeks since you last performed a cereal test you'd have been able to compile 195 - 390 trials which would be more than enough to establish whether or not you truly had this ability. You chose to concentrate on the medical claim as you felt it was the claim with which you had most experience. As I said at the time, further increasing your experience requires human volunteers which can be tricky to arrange. Cups of cereal are much easier to gain experience on. At this stage the only reason that you have more experience with medical claims is that you chose not to do a few hundred more cereal tests.

It's entirely your choice that we don't have a result by now.

* Crushed Pills - Failed I never reported my answers because I was not given reference samples

The reqirement for reference samples is something you added in later. Pup sent what was agreed. You asked pup if he'd send some reference samples for two of the pills otherwise you have to buy your own Phenylephrine HCl and Cetirizine HCl. Pup gave his reason for you obtaining reference drugs elsewhere and I for one agree they're valid reasons.

A box of sudafed costs £2.19 here and piriton costs £2.15 a box. I appreciate that you may have been strapped for funds at the time but even if you couldn't find any friends who could let you look at the most common decongestant or the top selling anti-histaime at any time at all since January 15th, the idea that you haven't been able to spare a under fiver in all this time doens't quite square witht he idea that you're prepared to spring for an £50-£100 ultrasound test in the kidney detection protocol.

Thus the only reason this test never progressed is entirely your choice not to persue it.

* In-Person Readings at FACT - Failed Very successful

You made claims which were falsified - you reported pain in Waynes left shoulder where there was none. You reported discomfort with his thyroid or adams apple where there was none. You reported that his heart looked perfect. You reported the he was otherwise in perfect condition. In fact you couldn't detect that he'd had heart surgery when it was given as an option in a forced choice of four conditions.

The only thing that was sucessful about this reading was that with your post hoc rationalisations you sucessfully fooled yourself into think you hadn't failed. Unfortunately they fooled no-one else.

You may think that your perception of a tired left should was valid becuase he did in fact have a left shoulder even if it wasn't tired, but ask youself why everyone else thinks that's ricockulous.

You may think that your that your perception of discomfort in his thyroid or adams apple was in fact correct because he did in fact have an adams apple even if he didn't have an discomfort (or bone!) there, but ask yourself why everyone else thinks that's ricockulous.

You may think that being unable to detect the presense of scars from heart surgery wasn't a failure even though you said his heart was fine because that just meant that he wasn't feeling any pain at that moment in time, ask youself why everyone else thinks that's ricockulous especially in light of what you propose to do in the kidney test with people who aren't feeeling any pain.

The only reason you don't regard this as an abject failure is that you choose not to.

You have in fact failed already and you could have failed many more times however you've made choices that allow you to avoid facing that reality.

If you truly had power this could have been settled a long time ago. If you truly wanted to find out the truth youc could have performed a number of tests to find out and settled this case a long time ago. If you true wanted to examine the facts as they stand you'd have realised that your reading of wayne falisfied you claim a long time ago.

The only reasons that you can still claim that your powers haven't been disproven is that you've chosen not to allow falsification to happen or where you've slipped up you chosen not to acknowledge it.

 

[Ashles]

Anita you admit that you failed the photo reading of Uncayimmy so why did you say this in response to Uncayimmy when he went through his list of medical issues.

"Although it is not permissible to make claims afterwards, I did detect an issue with the right wrist but failed to mention it. This does not count but for my purposes I am interested."

We were all particularly interested when it turned out to be the left wrist so even her postdiction turned out to be incorrect.

 

[LightinDarkness]

I am not lying. I already have other forms of synesthesia, for instance every time I read N I see the color green, or when I read Lithium I see a yellow. The medical perceptions of tissues and organs occur in the same way. I am not lying. And I did detect that a FACT member was missing a kidney. You are by all means entitled to question my honesty, since I did only mention it after the fact, but please allow that I am fully convinced that I detected it before it was announced and that is why I am compelled to have a test to either verify or to falsify my claim that I can perceive the number of kidneys in a person.

After all your antics and thousands of posts, I don't believe you have synesthesia. I believe you desperately want to be special act out those desires through your claims of supernatural powers (which you will not have tested by any reasonable means), and then you back peddled by finding some real phenomena that you also accredited to yourself. It makes you believe that others will be more likely to fall for the grand delusion if there is some realistic basis for your powers.

Do you have the medical and psychological evidence that you have synthesia? If not, how do you know that you did not attribute this to yourself as a back explanation for your claimed supernatural powers?

 

[LightinDarkness]

I've already said that in that test with the opaque full-body screen the person was leaning against the screen so I would have known that they were there. I have never experienced anything consistent with a claim of remote viewing. I am sorry your suggestions would not work, I would definitely fail such a test and so there is no reason to even set it up.

Stop the games with this, Anita. The simplistic test proposed by multiple posters on here does not test any remote viewing claim, nor would it expect you to perform remote viewing. If you REALLY have the supernatural powers to look inside people then you would have absolutely no problem with looking through a barrier and finding a human there. All you would have to do is use your supernatural powers to look through the barrier and see if you find flesh.

You refuse to do this because you know this is the most simplistic test possible and requires you to make definitive proclamations (human is there, human is not there.) The test would stop you from making all the excuses you will make on the kidneys (I got lost at the heart, there is a small chance volunteers would naturally have 1 kidney or more than 1 kidney and not know it, etc.).

It would be, quite simply, the easiest test of your supernatural powers which would falsify your claim because you don't have these powers. Which is why you will never, ever, submit to such a test.

 

[Ocelot]

You made claims which were falsified - you reported pain in Waynes left shoulder where there was none. You reported discomfort with his thyroid or adams apple where there was none. You reported that his heart looked perfect. You reported the he was otherwise in perfect condition. In fact you couldn't detect that he'd had heart surgery when it was given as an option in a forced choice of four conditions.

My faulty memory and imperfect search skill have let me down. It's been pointed out to me that Wayne's chest scar wasn't from heart surgery but from surgery on a severed diaphram.

Nonethess same argument applies.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

So.....are you saying that if you were to meet the one-kidney and two-kidney volunteers prior to the test, that you would be able to determine which of them was in the next room, even if you couldn't see them with your eyes? This would certainly make it easier to design a double-blinded test protocol. You could get a good read on their vibrational information so that you could even recognize them with your eyes closed, and then perform a test where you determined which one (or neither) was randomly placed behind a screen.

The test will involve detecting which of persons is missing a kidney, and I need to be allowed to see the person's back. I will not do a remote viewing test, I have never experienced remote viewing and I have never claimed to be able to remote view.

 

[Akhenaten]

My faulty memory and imperfect search skill have let me down. It's been pointed out to me that Wayne's chest scar wasn't from heart surgery but from surgery on a severed diaphram.

Nonethess same argument applies.

And everyone knows that a severed diaphram leaves very little scarring.