Verify FTL signal propagation using.....

[Diamond]

The buyer will have two options:

1. He pays only $500 down and gets the merchandise, evaluates
it's performance and if it works as specified he pays the remaining $9,500.00. If it does not work as specified he gets $1,000.00 back and that is 200% what he would had put down.

2. He pays $10,000.00 and if it does not work as specified
he gets $20,000.00 back.


Sincerely,

Mathew Orman
www.ultra-faster-than-light.com
www.radio-faster-than-light.com

What are the chances of any money being given back when no reputable scientist thinks that you have proven anything? You have rejected every single criticism whether here or on Usenet as a "misunderstanding" on their part rather than because they are telling you the truth: that you're an unscrupulous crackpot in the Dennis Lee mould.

You'll simply tell the unfortunates that your experiment worked and the problem is with them, or that someone in Palo Alto is testing it now, or that they don't understand FTL technology.... the possibilities are endless for a conman like you.

 

[MathewOrman]

What are the chances of any money being given back when no reputable scientist thinks that you have proven anything? You have rejected every single criticism whether here or on Usenet as a "misunderstanding" on their part rather than because they are telling you the truth: that you're an unscrupulous crackpot in the Dennis Lee mould.

You'll simply tell the unfortunates that your experiment worked and the problem is with them, or that someone in Palo Alto is testing it now, or that they don't understand FTL technology.... the possibilities are endless for a conman like you.

It is much simpler than that!
One takes the device to the local sales office of Agilent or
Tektronix and verifies the transient delay using method that was submitted by Germen scientist and published on my web-site
at: http://www.ultra-faster-than-light.com/ftlspeed.htm

It takes about 60 ns for pulse of light to travel 20m.
In my FTL data transmission line pulse will travel at least 5 times faster and that is 12 ns for 20 m long device.

If you suspect any fraud please notify immediately proper authorities.

All contact data including the phone number
is listed on the presented URL's.



Sincerely,

Mathew Orman
www.ultra-faster-than-light.com
www.radio-faster-than-light.com

 

[Diamond]

I have notified the proper authorities.

 

[Robaato]

Mean time this week I will be selling my first ever built FTL data transmission line Serial Number 1 at EBay starting price $10,000.00

I will post the auction number here if the moderator has no objection.

Yes, we have objections. Specifically, the rules state that this forum may not be used as a literal marketplace to sell for-profit items. Posting a link to your own eBay auction is a violation of said rule.

Raja

 

[xouper]

Raja: Yes, we have objections. Specifically, the rules state that this forum may not be used as a literal marketplace to sell for-profit items. Posting a link to your own eBay auction is a violation of said rule.

Links to ebay auctions have been posted before on this forum, but not by the seller. I think in this case it's relevant to the topic of the thread, which I have been following with much interest and amusement. How about if I post the ebay link myself, would that be a violation of the rules, since I have no financial interest in the matter, nor am I doing it as a commercial promotion, but rather as something relevant to the discussion, similarly to when other ebay links have been posted? I think it's also relevant to observe whether there are any suckers out there actually bid on it.

 

[MRC_Hans]

It is much simpler than that!
One takes the device to the local sales office of Agilent or
Tektronix and verifies the transient delay using method that was submitted by Germen scientist and published on my web-site
at: http://www.ultra-faster-than-light.com/ftlspeed.htm

It takes about 60 ns for pulse of light to travel 20m.
In my FTL data transmission line pulse will travel at least 5 times faster and that is 12 ns for 20 m long device.

*snip*

Sincerely,

Mathew Orman

This really shows you credibility. Here are the final sentences of that post from the German:

Is that what you're going to show?

Bye
Markus

(BTW how do we know he's a scientist?) ....Anyway:
He simply outlines a test setup that would show the effect you claim to have made IF IT WORKED. He did not make that test, and neither did you! But you are presenting this text as if it was evidence! Also, notice that the scope in the suggested test has 50ohms input, thus doing away with your alleged (and nonsensical) open end idea.

You are a liar and a fraud, and you are not even good at it. You are trying to make money on a scam. You are not even good at that, because the number of suckers who will feel the need to get a signal 40ns faster through a cable has to be limited.

Even if your construction was viable, it would only be of academic interest.

Hans

 

[MathewOrman]

Yes, we have objections. Specifically, the rules state that this forum may not be used as a literal marketplace to sell for-profit items. Posting a link to your own eBay auction is a violation of said rule.

Raja

No problem.
I will just submit the outcome info afterwords without any links or references at all.


Sincerely,

Mathew Orman
www.ultra-faster-than-light.com
www.radio-faster-than-light.com

 

[MathewOrman]

This really shows you credibility. Here are the final sentences of that post from the German:

(BTW how do we know he's a scientist?) ....Anyway:
He simply outlines a test setup that would show the effect you claim to have made IF IT WORKED. He did not make that test, and neither did you! But you are presenting this text as if it was evidence! Also, notice that the scope in the suggested test has 50ohms input, thus doing away with your alleged (and nonsensical) open end idea.

You are a liar and a fraud, and you are not even good at it. You are trying to make money on a scam. You are not even good at that, because the number of suckers who will feel the need to get a signal 40ns faster through a cable has to be limited.

Even if your construction was viable, it would only be of academic interest.

Hans

You've made so may false assumptions.
The commercial product has 50 Ohms input and output impedances.

I will send you a free sample providing you show me your
credibility.

I have a history only of succsesfull and practical inventions
and NASA is already purchased one of my scam artist World's most advanced 6D
Laser Tracking System
US Patent No. 5,767,960.
Press released at: http://www.ascension-tech.com/news/press_032503.php

Sincerely,

Mathew Orman
www.ultra-faster-than-light.com
www.radio-faster-than-light.com

 

[Crossbow]

Slow down, Crossbow. The thing actually does what the SPICE simulation says it does. Not that anything is travelling FTL.

In fact, at the voltage just above the center value, like maybe around 280 mV, the output of the circuit achieves that voltage just a little *before* the input gets there. So FTL wouldn't explain it - I guess clairvoyance would be more like it. Or maybe that there's a funny resonance going on that I don't have the full explanation for yet.

But make no mistake - if you string a bunch of these together with the "compensation network" and "high impedance buffers," it will not send a signal FTL for the whole group. It just is a trick, that the voltage at the output of the transmission line goes up as fast as the voltage on its input. It has something to do with how the voltage on an open line doubles, so it starts rising later but goes up faster, than the input.

Thanks much Curt, I figured it was something like that.

Do you remember the one fellow some months ago who shined a pulsed laser into a cloud of cesium gas and claimed that one could use this technique to get the pulse to travel faster than the speed of light.

When others looked into it, it turned out what he was seeing was the result of an optical illusion caused by a distortion in the pulses as they passed through the gas.

In my experience, the people who make FTL or free-energy claims are often seeing the odd effects that can occur due to energy storage of alternating power. Of course, after one has some developed some fluency with higher mathematics (especially complex numbers), these odd effects become more understandable but unfortunately, many of these people do not have these skills (plus they see those dollar signs dancing before them) which is why they tend to get rather enthusiastic about their claims and very defensive about the authenticity of their products.

Go figure!

 

[MathewOrman]

Slow down, Crossbow. The thing actually does what the SPICE simulation says it does. Not that anything is travelling FTL.

In fact, at the voltage just above the center value, like maybe around 280 mV, the output of the circuit achieves that voltage just a little *before* the input gets there. So FTL wouldn't explain it - I guess clairvoyance would be more like it. Or maybe that there's a funny resonance going on that I don't have the full explanation for yet.

[snip]

The explanation was posted long before
in my first reply.

The apparent negative time delay is the effect
of waveform distortion that is generated by sefinductance of the coax core conductor and the displacement current due to
coax capacitance.
Use LTspice to view the displacement current.
The displacement current mirror is used to correct the distortion
so the input waveform to FTL device and the output one are identical.

Sincerely,

Mathew Orman
ps. I need to go to bed!

www.ultra-faster-than-light.com
www.radio-faster-than-light.com

 

[Brian the Snail]

Do you remember the one fellow some months ago who shined a pulsed laser into a cloud of cesium gas and claimed that one could use this technique to get the pulse to travel faster than the speed of light.

When others looked into it, it turned out what he was seeing was the result of an optical illusion caused by a distortion in the pulses as they passed through the gas.

Crossbow,

Not to post off-topic, but this caught my eye. Do you have a reference / link for this please? Just I'll be interested in taking a look at this.

I know that experiments like this have been done to slow down light pulses to extremely low velocities, which relies on the perculiar dispersion properties of light near to atomic resonances. But this is a change in the group velocity of the light pulse, which as you point out, is associated with distortion of the pulse. In principle, one could do the same so that the group velocity is larger than the speed of light- however, the signal velocity should always be less than c, so that no laws of physics are violated.

 

[Crossbow]

Crossbow,

Not to post off-topic, but this caught my eye. Do you have a reference / link for this please? Just I'll be interested in taking a look at this.

I know that experiments like this have been done to slow down light pulses to extremely low velocities, which relies on the perculiar dispersion properties of light near to atomic resonances. But this is a change in the group velocity of the light pulse, which as you point out, is associated with distortion of the pulse. In principle, one could do the same so that the group velocity is larger than the speed of light- however, the signal velocity should always be less than c, so that no laws of physics are violated.

Brian the Snail, check out this article that was in Scientific American.


Unlimited Light
Researchers make pulses that travel faster than light--sort of
By David Appell

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00093487-DB4B-1C73-9B81809EC588EF21

PRINCETON, N.J.--First things first: Einstein has not left the building.

Despite some recent virtuosic experiments with pulses of light widely reported to far exceed the speed of light, physicists still agree that no object or information has been made to travel superluminally. Cause-and-effect is preserved. But the strange intricacies of light are requiring scientists to examine closely the nature of the ultimate speed limit and, with it, what a pulse of light really is.

...

 

[Brian the Snail]

Brian the Snail, check out this article that was in Scientific American.


Unlimited Light
Researchers make pulses that travel faster than light--sort of
By David Appell

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00093487-DB4B-1C73-9B81809EC588EF21

PRINCETON, N.J.--First things first: Einstein has not left the building.

Despite some recent virtuosic experiments with pulses of light widely reported to far exceed the speed of light, physicists still agree that no object or information has been made to travel superluminally. Cause-and-effect is preserved. But the strange intricacies of light are requiring scientists to examine closely the nature of the ultimate speed limit and, with it, what a pulse of light really is.

...

Thank you Crossbow. That was very much along the lines of what I was thinking.

 

[Martin]

Links to ebay auctions have been posted before on this forum, but not by the seller. I think in this case it's relevant to the topic of the thread, which I have been following with much interest and amusement. How about if I post the ebay link myself, would that be a violation of the rules, since I have no financial interest in the matter, nor am I doing it as a commercial promotion, but rather as something relevant to the discussion, similarly to when other ebay links have been posted? I think it's also relevant to observe whether there are any suckers out there actually bid on it

Well, well. I agree with Xouper, on a censorship issue. Again. I find this trend...somewhat disturbing

 

[69dodge]

Originally posted by CurtC
In fact, at the voltage just above the center value, like maybe around 280 mV, the output of the circuit achieves that voltage just a little *before* the input gets there. So FTL wouldn't explain it - I guess clairvoyance would be more like it.

Can you run the simulation with a different waveform? What if you generate a pulse that starts out exactly like the recommended one, then when it reaches 280 mV immediately drops to zero? Yes, of course, that's against the rules, as it introduces higher frequencies. But that's just the point. If the input pulse is predictable due to the limited bandwidth, the output side can predict it. It doesn't have to wait for it actually to arrive. And if unexpectedly it doesn't arrive, the output will no longer match the input. In what sense can the "281 mV point" be said to travel FTL from the input to the output, if the output reaches 281 mV even when the input is cut off at 280 mV. That the output hits 281 mV is a result of a previous lower-voltage part of the input pulse, a part that had time to reach the output side. There's no law against the output having a higher voltage than the input. Transformers do it all the time.

The question should not be, if I send a pulse down the line, what is the delay between when the input reaches half-maximum and when the output does?

The question should be, if I send two pulses that start out identical and then at a certain point begin to differ, how long does it take for the outputs to begin to differ?

If x is the time light takes to get from the input to the output, the impossibility of FTL signal propagation says that the output at time t depends on the input at time t - x (or earlier, but no later). It doesn't say that the output at time t is identical to the input at time t - x.

 

[ceptimus]

The edges of shadows move faster than light in my house. This happens every time I switch a lamp on or off. I wonder if I could sell the lamps, or chunks of wall etc. on eBay at highly inflated prices?

 

[Diamond]

Well, well. I agree with Xouper, on a censorship issue. Again. I find this trend...somewhat disturbing

So you have no problem with a conman selling his wares on the forum, even putting them in the Auction forum?

 

[diddidit]

Whether it's faster than light or not, it's still just a 10 mbps cable; it ain't gonna get me my, uh, pictures downloaded any faster. Heck, that's slower than USB 1.1. What's the point? I've got, ya know, research to do.

did

 

[Kess]

Damn! I've just spent 30 minutes repeating Mathew Ohman's latest simulations and working out what the trick is and posting a response in another thread ( http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870066496 ) only to find you guys have already given him a good hammering. Plus a number of newsgroups have also attempted to introduce him to basic transmission line theory.

Oh well, back to the TV now...

 

[xouper]

Diamond: So you have no problem with a conman selling his wares on the forum, even putting them in the Auction forum?

I do indeed have a problem with a conman selling their wares on this forum. I just don't agree that the solution to that problem is censorship. I think it is far more effective to publicly discredit the conman, as an educational service for those who are not yet familiar with the con. This thread is a perfect example of what I mean. If it had been censored (as it appears you seemed to want under the spam rule), then a lot of good rebuttal would not have gotten posted for the educational enlightenment of those interested. This is a clear example where more speech is preferable to censorship.

I know you and I disagree on certain censorship issues, but my intent here is not to argue about it, but only to answer your question and explain my position in more detail.