Vatican blames homosexual for paedophilia

[Marduk]

“Many psychologists and psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relationship between celibacy and paedophilia. But many others have demonstrated, I have been told recently, that there is a relationship between homosexuality and paedophilia. That is true. That is the problem.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7096149.ece
Personally I think this is incorrect,
The Vatican has already more than proven that there is a link between celibacy and paedophilia,
I for one would like to know his sources

 

[Darth Rotor]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7096149.ece
Personally I think this is incorrect,
The Vatican has already more than proven that there is a link between celibacy and paedophilia,
I for one would like to know his sources

Methinks his "sources" be his rectum ...

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[sadhatter]

" well its not that they were priest who wanted to do little boys, its that they were people who wanted to do little boys who became priests"

Either way you did nothing to stop them, nor screen them.

 

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

I've always found that logic interesting (JREF won't allow me to say the actual word for it so I'll stick with interesting), if homosexuality causes a pedophilic attraction to young boys does heterosexuality cause an attraction to young girls?

 

[Fiona]

Ask an ageing actress

 

[MikeSun5]

Lumping gay pedophiles in with normal gay people is like saying all Muslims are willing to blow up infidels with bombs strapped to their chests.

There may not be any relationship between paedophilia and homosexuality in the definitions of the words, but the priests that abused those boys were most definitely gay. Straight males are not sexually aroused by other males. I'm not at all excusing the cardinal's comments, but being angry that he's "blamed gay priests for the scandal" seems like misplaced anger to me. Gay priests are definitley to blame for the abuse. Both the gay priests and the church itself are to blame for the scandal.

...but wouldn't it be awesome if the Pope got arrested?

 

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

Lumping gay pedophiles in with normal gay people is like saying all Muslims are willing to blow up infidels with bombs strapped to their chests.

There may not be any relationship between paedophilia and homosexuality in the definitions of the words, but the priests that abused those boys were most definitely gay. Straight males are not sexually aroused by other males. I'm not at all excusing the cardinal's comments, but being angry that he's "blamed gay priests for the scandal" seems like misplaced anger to me. Gay priests are definitley to blame for the abuse. Both the gay priests and the church itself are to blame for the scandal.

...but wouldn't it be awesome if the Pope got arrested?

Sooo...heterosexual males become sexually arroused at the sight of young girls?

 

[MikeSun5]

Sooo...heterosexual males become sexually arroused at the sight of young girls?

I don't. Do you?

 

[Mirrorglass]

Sooo...heterosexual males become sexually arroused at the sight of young girls?

It's been known to happen, yes. But the point is that any man who does become aroused at the sight of any girl is, by definition, heterosexual.

ETA: I'm not talking about myself here, just in case you're wondering.

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

Fhtagn didn't say girl, Fhtagn said 'young girl' as in a pedophile's target.

The point is, you can't assume that gay men are attracted to children any more than you can assume that straight men are attracted to children.

 

[MikeSun5]

The point is, you can't assume that gay men are attracted to children any more than you can assume that straight men are attracted to children.

Nobody has assumed that except for the Vatican. Kthulhut Fhtagn was just trying to get me to agree with the cardinal so he could argue with me. Too bad we agree on that point.

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

the priests that abused those boys were most definitely gay. Straight males are not sexually aroused by other males. I'm not at all excusing the cardinal's comments, but being angry that he's "blamed gay priests for the scandal" seems like misplaced anger to me. Gay priests are definitley to blame for the abuse.

The point is, you can't assume that gay men are attracted to children any more than you can assume that straight men are attracted to children.

Nobody has assumed that except for the Vatican. Kthulhut Fhtagn was just trying to get me to agree with the cardinal so he could argue with me. Too bad we agree on that point.

No, you claimed that the priests who went after children were gay, and that was why they went after boys. Pedophiles aren't that picky, mostly because there's precious little difference between prepubescent males and females. It's all about availability, and boys were mostly what were available to priests during the times these alleged incidents took place.

 

[Mirrorglass]

No, you claimed that the priests who went after children were gay, and that was why they went after boys. Pedophiles aren't that picky, mostly because there's precious little difference between prepubescent males and females. It's all about availability, and boys were mostly what were available to priests during the times these alleged incidents took place.

Do you have some basis for this claim that pedophiles don't care about the gender of their victims?

 

[MikeSun5]

Pedophiles aren't that picky .... there's precious little difference between prepubescent males and females .... It's all about availability ....

Where are you getting your information?

 

[Fnord]

Doesn't the RCC also claim that teaching anything other than abstinence leads to sexual promiscuity?

 

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

I don't. Do you?

Some might considering actually asking a person if he's a pedophile rude. And given prior history of mine that involves a pedophile, you would certainly walk away from the encounter with a black eye after having the nerve to ask me such a question face-to-face. But to answer, no I don't.

It's been known to happen, yes. But the point is that any man who does become aroused at the sight of any girl is, by definition, heterosexual.

Given the physical differances between an 8 year old and an 18 year old, I'm gonna disagree with you here rather heavily.

Nobody has assumed that except for the Vatican. Kthulhut Fhtagn was just trying to get me to agree with the cardinal so he could argue with me. Too bad we agree on that point.

No, we don't agree. Nor was I trying to incite an argument but rather asking for clarification on your position. Allow me to clarify what it seems to me that your position is.

Pedophiles who prey on young boys are homosexuals.
But not all homosexuals prey on young boys.
But those who prey on young boys are still homosexuals.

That seems to be the view of the cardinal, actually. I don't think he was suggesting either that all gays are pedophiles but that there is an established link between homosexuality and pedophiles that prey on young boys, which is false but an often reported claim. I asked if pedophiles who prey exclusively on young girls are heterosexual. Call me crazy, but I don't recall the established definitions of heterosexuality or homosexuality ever being expanded upon to include children.

 

[Simon39759]

Where are you getting your information?

That has been the academic consensus for quite a while now.

Pedophiles' victims correlate first and foremost to opportunity, there is no real evidences that they discriminate their victims based on sex.
Indeed, generally, they have a normal sexual life in addition to their pedophilia. and this normal sexual life, in the majority of cases, is heterosexual.
That is the reason why, in the vast majority of cases, the pedophile's victims are his own children. It's about opportunity.

 

[jakesteele]

The question I have is this: What are the percentages of boys vs. girls who get abused by priests? Do boys get the nasty more than girls in the Catholic church?

 

[jakesteele]

That has been the academic consensus for quite a while now.

Pedophiles' victims correlate first and foremost to opportunity, there is no real evidences that they discriminate their victims based on sex.
Indeed, generally, they have a normal sexual life in addition to their pedophilia. and this normal sexual life, in the majority of cases, is heterosexual.
That is the reason why, in the vast majority of cases, the pedophile's victims are his own children. It's about opportunity.

Do you have a source(s) for that? Maybe I watch too much Law & Order: SVU, but I've always been under the impression that a pedo first likes "little kids" and then has a gender preference as a subset of pedoism

 

[Simon39759]

The question I have is this: What are the percentages of boys vs. girls who get abused by priests? Do boys get the nasty more than girls in the Catholic church?

Yes.
But, speaking from my experience through the Roman catholic school system, generally boys are entrusted to the priest while girls are more often entrusted to nuns or mothers.
Once again, it might all chalk up to authorities.